MICCIAH CHANNEL: JULIE WINTER
Produced by Jon Child

Transcript of Program 13, 1985

Some of Julie’s early work in channel from 1985 where Micciah discusses:
Being able to have access to the power of not knowing, or being able to be in not-knowing and tolerate it. View Section
Hunger on the planet, specifically starvation in Ethiopia.  What is an appropriate response, how can we handle it? View Section
The function of visionary phenomena, which is respected, if not to say revered and sought, in some religions and in others thought to be illusion. View Section
A meditation on peace View Section


   Micciah:  We greet you all, dear friends.

   Julie:  We do greet you, indeed.  This is Micciah Channel, and I’m Julie Winter.  Micciah is an energy entity who works with me while I’m in trance,  and while I’m in the trance state I have access to a point of view that seems to come from a non-physical realm.  This series of programs is drawn primarily from videotapes taken during my regular classes.  We want to expand our circle, and include your energy and interest in our work.
   OK, the first question is about being able to have access to to the power of not knowing, or being able to be in not knowing and tolerate it. The second is about hunger on the planet, specifically starvation in Ethiopia and what’s an appropriate response and how can we handle it. And the last question is about the function of visionary phenomena, which is respected, if not to say revered and sought, in some religions and in others thought to be illusion.

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   Micciah:  We greet you all, dear friends.
   There is great, mostly untapped, power in not knowing, or what the Buddhists call no-mind. There are levels and levels of knowing. There is the knowing that is from the talking mind, the observing mind; that is, you know today is Tuesday. That is a certain kind of knowing. And there is, particularly in your culture, an active and dominant and dominating and wily part of the mind that always wants to know because knowing makes you right! And you are willing to sacrifice almost anything, including physical life, to be right. So, the underbelly of that need to be right is the vastness and the untapped power of not knowing.
   Let us stop for a moment here and be clear. We are not suggesting that skills or discipline are superfluous but rather that there is a creative level of being, of experimentation, of growth, that springs out of the play of not knowing. Do you really know how to heal your finger if you cut it? Well, your body knows. But do you know how many cells it takes or what the function is? Could you reproduce the process if you did? So, there is knowing that is at the involuntary level, which is the great inner knowledge, and there is knowing that is at the voluntary level. And you use knowing to control or to hold the illusion of control. If, for instance, you contrast allopathic medicine and homeopathic medicine, you have a very good example of the differences. In allopathic work, Western medicine, you try to find a diagnosis, yes? You take the symptoms and try to fit them into a pattern that will give you the diagnosis, the name of something, and then you treat the symptoms. In allopathic medicine there is an emphasis on that quality of knowing. In homeopathic medicine there is an emphasis on the person, on all of the variables of that person, and on working with the root so that the body takes care of the healing in a way particular to that person. So they are very different sorts of knowing and unknowing. In one, the symptom is quelled, in the other the symptom is aggravated in order for the knowledge of the body to create an antidote, or a way of dealing with it. So, well, what does that have to do with anything? Well, when you don’t know something, are you searching for the formula, the way, the path, the answer? Or are you willing to be in the drift of what this situation means to you? What is its message, its communication? Not knowing is a very fine skill, and when you are aligned with not knowing, you can be in exploration, you can be in surprise. Think how boring it is to know everything about the way someone is going to make love. You might be absolutely right, move for move, moment for moment, but do you really want to be right? Or can you be in the surprise of not knowing? Think in your own lives, what are the areas where you absolutely must know. Those will be the ones where you feel least confident, most insecure. (This is not a criticism, it is an observation.) Between now and next week would you all, and you who are watching can do this as well, be aware in your life of where, in which areas, you need to know, you need to have the facts. (Facts change. The fact is that fire burns, yes? And that if you step on it, it will burn your feet. And that may be a fact, but it is not the truth, because people can walk on fire, yes? We know some who have done so, with no burns. What do you know when you know that the fire is hot? And you know you have aligned your consciousness so that you won’t be burned?) So, think about where in your life you need to know, and then meditate or fantasize: “What would it be like if I allowed myself the liberation of not knowing in that area, if I allowed myself to be surprised, incorrect, playful, perplexed, foolish?” The worst, yes, being foolish! “I know, I’m no fool!” So, when you need to know absolutely, then you lose the power available by being able to be surprised. See if you can let knowing rest gently, rest lightly; you might know, you might not know.
   To build up a tolerance, you must allow yourself to experience the pleasurable part of not knowing, which is the element of surprise and delight. To really count on yourself, you must be able to relinquish always needing to know. Sometimes you know, and you know you know. Sometimes you know that what you know is that you don’t know. If you aware of the communication of a situation, of a circumstance, what it is communicating to you, not what it might mean in the textbook? If you are a therapist, what is the communication as you receive it? And out of that communication, what needs to be stimulated in the body, in the emotional body, let us say, for healing to take place? Perhaps you build up a tolerance homeopathically, that is, in very small doses, a tolerance for not knowing, a tolerance to be humble and to be delighted.
   Now, if you were doing surgery would you need to know? You certainly would! Do you want to fly in an airplane with someone who is intuitive about flying an airplane? Not if you wish to stay in your body! But no-mind is the energy of surprise, and great healing takes place through the energy of the spontaneous. One more element, if you would meditate on not knowing, and where you need to know in your life, to find out what you are frightened of, and what it would be like not to know. If you can let yourself not know. This would be liberating!
   Now you have asked about hunger, most specifically the hunger in Ethiopia, and this does connect with not knowing, with willful not knowing, which is a kind of denial. It was foreseen that there would come famines, and we will tell you now, if you don't know, two things. They will get worse; the planet is going to have a problem, we think, with water in the coming years, clear water, drinkable. And you could feed everyone. You could feed everybody on this planet. So to say “Well, we don’t know how, we couldn’t do it,” this is a willful not knowing, a kind of denial. Francis Moore Lappe has written extensively, as have others, about feeding. It is possible, it is possible.
   Well, what does it represent? Massive starvation? It represents a very dangerous kind of denial. With self-absorption, and personal gain, and sometimes greed, or at least ignorance, have catapulted a situation. Well, you say, “If everyone is responsible, what can we do?” You can begin, again, by looking in your own lives. How do you nourish yourselves — emotionally, spiritually, intellectually, and physically? Are you wasteful, are you, you, you countries that are in denial? Do you care for yourselves, and do you make yourselves responsible, conscious, for the nourishment of others — physical, emotional, or whatever? It is hard to stay awake, yes, not to go into a kind of narcissistic self—absorption with one’s world and one’s things. If you want to change what is going on on the earth, you must participate! It is not going to rain on you from heaven. Well, will money alleviate the problem? Temporarily, but that doesn’t really empower anyone. Money will fill bellies. At any time on the earth, there are those who come into the earth plane and in dying speak to the rest of the planet. Since you now have mass communication, the voices are very loud. This time it was these people, another time it may have been you. And that does not mean in any sense that you are not responsible. That is, you cannot say, “Well, we did it last time, they can do it this time, we’re not responsible for them.” Yes, you are. To be in the law of abundance is to be conscious of the abundance in your life, of how you use your resources, all of them. To simply activate the law of manifestation, if that’s all you want to do, you can just make more and more and more. But that is not really about abundance. Abundance has to do with giving back and  teaching people how to be empowered, to have choices, to mobilize to feed a planet; start giving away what you don’t need! Appreciate what you have, what you eat, what you use. Look around for where you can put your energy, as individuals and as a group, to start shifting things. And they can be shifted at the mechanical level, which is what is necessary; if someone needs food, that is the first priority. But that will not empower them. Yes? That is more complicated.
   Visions. The visionary experience is one that illuminates, amplifies, expands the apparent ordinariness of life into the exquisiteness — is that a word? — of the truth, the magnificence of the way it really is; hiding in ordinariness, hiding in ordinary life hiding out, is this magnificence.
   Well, why would it be scorned? If the experience of that magnificence contributes to your life, it is valuable. If it detracts, then it is of not very much use. But a true vision has a quality of magnificent simplicity, not... This is hard to say... It opens the door to the magnificence of the ordinary. A vision that is pleasant and entertaining and not so useful would be one that moved toward grandiosity, or that aggrandized the self. And this is perhaps where religions split. Are you thinking of the differences between, for instance, Zen and Christianity. Christianity is not very much interested in no-mind; or it is, but not in the way that Zen is. So, there are different styles. They’re both true. Neither is true. We would say to be in ecstasy, to be in the ecstasy of a vision, which is more the Christian mode, is certainly very interesting; and it is one way of opening to spirit. There is not only one way. And another way is the path, the much more severe path of certain forms of Buddhism, yes? But we’ve said earlier that you don’t have to look for one way. So perhaps both could contribute, and this is the time when you can be looking within yourselves to find your way. They are both noble traditions, but what is your own way?
   Now, that is plenty for one evening. If you would focus now, we could meditate for a moment on peace. And on having whatever you need to have revealed made known to you. You know that you have within you the creative truth, and that your lives, our lives, are embodiments of love that is profound and enormous and joyful, and that you, “this one” too, you all live in that spirit and bring it, through your living being and through your actions and your dreams and the way you participate, bring it to bear, to play, in the world.
   We thank you for being here, and we bid you a very good evening.

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   Julie:  Is it over?  It’s over. 
   What we do in class after a Micciah session is talk the material through, and agree, and disagree.  We would love you to do the same.

ONSCREEN VISUAL DISCLAIMER:
   Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellec­tual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”