Produced by Jon Child

Transcript of Program 36, 1986

Some of Julie’s early work in channel from 1985 where Micciah discusses:
• The purpose of suffering and its relationship to growth and enlightenment. Suffering is exclusion from spaciousness and attachment to what we imagine to be the “reality” of the physical world. Resistance to pain increases suffering. “When you feel yourself rocked in the ecstasy of the life force... you can dance with the dragons of your own creation.” View Section
• The purpose of Micciah’s realm “is to teach and to heal... by reminding you of your great potential, of your connection to all the realms, of the celebration and also the limitation of the physical world.” The nature of “his” being and what we perceive “his” to be. View Section
• The true meaning of intolerance and criticism is unacknowledged fear. “When you live as though you were one person in a hostile universe, then your recourse, at an emotional level, is to defend yourself by criticizing everything that seems to irritate the surface of your isolation.” You can begin to dismantle that reaction by experimenting with tolerating something in yourself that you usually reject. View Section

(The original tape is very damaged and video quality poor. The repair resorts to still frame grabs when nothing else will do. You may just want to listen or use the transcript.)

   Micciah:  We greet you all, dear friends.

   Julie:  We do greet you, indeed.  This is Micciah Channel, and I’m Julie Winter.  Micciah is an energy entity who works with me while I’m in trance,  and while I’m in the trance state I have access to a point of view that seems to come from a non-physical realm.  This series of programs is drawn primarily from videotapes taken during my regular classes.  We want to expand our circle, and include your energy and interest in our work.


   Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends. Now, the mystery, or dance, into which you peer in this realm, this physically focused realm, this seemingly solid realm, is precisely a mystery because you must learn that the apparent solidity [knocks on floor], solidity, is really ephemeral, that in the midst of all solid objects are vast universes of space. The more embroiled you become in the mechanical level of movement, one body bumping into another body, one body holding money back from another body or another nation, one body feeling it must fight another for land, for territory, for food — that is all at the solid level, yes? It excludes the play of consciousness, it excludes what we have been calling the luminous body, it excludes the awareness that all of solidity arises out of consciousness. The solid world is not first cause; it is a result. “So,” you say, “well, that’s nice, so what does that mean?” The more fully you are able to experience your own luminous power, the less resistance you have, the less attached you are to the physical world, to your body, your house, your possessions, your youth, the less you suffer. Suffering is connected with attachment and also sufering emerges in the contraction and the isolation of fear. When the ego imagines that it is disconnected from everything, from all that is, then no nourishment can be accepted, and there are only temporary pleasures to stop the gap.
   This is very complicated. We are really responding to your question, Bob, so ask your question and we will get more focused.

   Bob: What is the purpose of suffering in the world? And what is the relationship between what we call the path of growth and the path of enlightenment to this suffering? And why is the world not a garden of Eden naturally for everyone?

   Micciah: When your heart is closed, when you are contained... when you imagine and live as if you are contained in your skin and in the skin of your ego and in your personal needs and demands, then you are cut off, and you seem to live in opposition to things, yes? Opposition to others who might harm you, opposition to the elements guarded against what? Against loss. In working with your own self as the laboratory and with others in groups, it is important to have support from groups. The word “support” is getting worn out. To have connection. In working with yourself, you can discover at any time, at any moment, the ecstasy, the bittersweet vulnerability of having your heart open. Physical pain, emotional pain, is increased many times over when there is resistance, a holding out, a stiffening against the pain. The more you allow, the more it all runs through you. Life breathes you. We are not suggesting that life is a sort of saccharine sweetness. It is much more interesting than that. What good play have you ever seen that does not have drama? Conflict? Challenge? No one would go to the theatre to see happy faces; it would be very boring. So you must expand your context. We are asking you to, again we are asking you, to live with paradox. When you open your context, or deepen it, if you prefer that, you can appreciate the challenge and the drama. When you feel yourself safe in an intrinsic sense. And this takes practice. Practice and what? Risk! When you feel yourself rocked in the ecstasy of the life force, which is always there, which you play peekaboo with, then you have nothing to fear and nothing to lose, and you can dance with the dragons of your own creation. Even in the very large issues, the question of peace, of love between people, of the planetary family, those issues can be healed, not by opposing wrong, not by the ego self. You know the humorous aspect of the ego. Everyone needs an ego, but it has a sort of humorous, righteous quality. Bunches of egos opposing bunches of other egos, back to the mechanical level, yes? No one experiences themselves in that situation fed by anything greater. You can’t hear by opposition. Can not. Cannot. Even in the great issues, you can begin to heal the imbalances in the physical world by yielding more and more into the ecstasy of the life force, into, into trusting it. So this starts your conscious minds going, yes?, and the emotional self, “yak yak yak... Trust trust trust, why should we trust? Dangerous dangerous dangerous.” It is much more dangerous not to trust, ultimately.
   So, please go on.

   MaryAnne: Micciah, I’d like to ask you a question about yourself.

   Micciah: How flattering!

   MaryAnne: What is life... Or what do you do in your realm. What other activities do you do? Are there other beings that you communicate with? What is your greater purpose?

   Micciah: “I” am not really an I. I don’t have a stomach and fingers and toes. I am a representative, shall we say, of a world that is not physical, not, not in dense matter but is, I assure you, quite real. And there are many, many realms, all interpenetrating. You are set, and in your culture you are somewhat locked in the awareness of this realm, the physical focus, but you are surrounded by other realms. “Surrounded” is not right. They interpenetrate. But they... things don’t bump into each other because they are composed differently. So... And it is really a web, the three-dimensional, eight-dimensional, twelve-dimensional web. So when you are in the physical body, you are living in one of the threads of the web, with all its stars, planets, beliefs. This is another thread; we are another thread, connection with yours and moving through. We don’t have to fill appointment books, because there isn’t any time. There is a grand simultaneity. It is almost impossible to explain in language. Your language reflects your structure, your beliefs, your physical body, your culture, and it has a beginning, a middle, and an end, like a sentence. But there is no such thing in the realm that “this one” attunes to and you all attune to. Broadly stated, the function of this realm, as it connects with yours, at the point of intersection with the physical world, is to teach and to heal and to heal by reminding you of your great potential, of your connection to all the realms, of the celebration and also the limitation of the physical world. Many, many people connect with this realm. And “I” am not an “I” but rather impulses that match with “this one’s” impulses to create your experience of me. You create me, if you will. Does that answer the question? Not exactly?

   MaryAnne: I just want to ask one other thing. Were you a human being at some point or is this a totally different...

   Micciah: Well, there is a fragment of my Great Self, even though I am not an “I,” there are fragmentary portions of the totality of that “I am” that has been in physical life, yes. But I am not one who has passed over, so to speak. And anyway, that is just a model. The notion that people die in the physical world and then communicate from what is called “the other side” is a model, it is a way of representing a greater reality. You all have feet in other realms, threads, filaments, that connect you. That is the paradox, that is the mystery here, that it seems to be this way, although it is different in different cultures, you know. Ordinary time, that you think of as so concrete and fleeting, is perceived differently right here, in this realm, in different ways in different cultures. The worst mistake, if there is such a thing, is to think that what you think is real is real, to limit, to limit.
   So, please continue.

   Karen: I would like to ask you about the nature of intolerance and our practice of criticizing others and where it comes from, what the myths about that are, particularly in our culture, and...

   Micciah: It comes from fear. Short answer. That is really what we are talking about. When, we will say it again, because the mind tends to click off, you don’t want to hear it. When you imagine and live as though you were one tiny person in a vast and hostile universe, disconnected from all else, then your recourse, at an emotional level, at a psychological level, is to defend by criticizing everything that seems to irritate the surface of your isolation. It is fear. Fear is always, always, at the center. Fear of the vitality of the self, fear of damage from others, fear of loss. And the more encrusted the structure, the more fear there is of the life force itself. This is why children can be so scary to grownups, who have their edges pinned down, their feet nailed to the floor, because children are so full of life, so clearly excited by everything. And every time you criticize something or someone else, you firm up the isolation for yourself. Is there more in your question?

   Karen: Well, just how exactly can we go about moving that, changing that?

   Micciah: By exploring your own vitality, dismantling the myth of aloneness, of isolation, opening your heart, to yourself as well as to other people. Try an experiment: during the week see if you can tolerate one really intolerable element, either something you absolutely reject in yourself, with disgust, disgust, where you smell disgust, point your nose in that direction; you’ll find something very interesting. Disgusting. Disgusting. Look around in your own life for what you have a judgment about. See if you can find out what it’s trying to tell you, what you have rejected. In spiritual teaching — we use “spiritual” for want of a better word — when you move into a new level, very often you meet the guardians at the gate, yes? At the doorway to a new level are the forces that protect the level. In temple architecture, for instance, in India and in China, they were depicted as ferocious dogs. Those guardians represent all the fear and all the disgust that you have not investigated, the aspects of the Great Self, of the personality, that you have dislocated, disassociated from, appear, like Snoopy, and when you can dance with them, you can move through the door. And they appear in the ordinary realms as other people, as those “bad” people, “bad” things. So, in your own life, look around. What are you rejecting? See if you can tolerate one characteristic that you really reject or despise in yourself. Start with yourself. Don’t start with someone else, because in starting with someone else, it is too easy to fall into forgiving them.


Julie: Channeling is a little like that. [Her cat Hummingbird balances behind her at the top of a fence] That’s the end for now.
   What we do in class at the end of a session is go over the information, talk about it, evaluate it, find out what works for us individually and what doesn’t. And we invite you to do the same.
   Several final words. The thread that runs through my work of, which the channeling is one aspect, is healing. So, the thread of healing goes through my work with individuals, my teaching, my lecturing, my writing. And that healing, I believe, comes from a truthful exploration of one’s relationship with spirit. Spirit heals through us, and that healing enables us to be with the sacred nature of everyday life. I urge you to use your prayers and meditations toward experiencing the joy and sacred nature of life itself.

   Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellec­tual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”