Produced by Jon Child

Transcript of Program 39, 1986

Some of Julie’s early work in channel from 1985 where Micciah where Micciah gives suggestions and modes of action to individual class members concerning:
• Dismantling heirarchical thinking patterns and ways of interacting, especially in working with groups. Work with misconceptions about power and leadership. “Leading is grace. Following is grace.” View Section
• Allowing oneself to stick with hard work and discipline. Work with internalized authority figure and the “wily defiant one” who rebels against force. Ask the source of your creativity and power to support you. View Section
• Working through an opening and expansion of self. Be compassionate and gentle. Take time. “Seek those who comfort you, and you can comfort yourself in the midst of transition.“ View Section

   Micciah:  We greet you all, dear friends.

   Julie:  We do greet you, indeed.  This is Micciah Channel, and I’m Julie Winter.  Micciah is an energy entity who works with me while I’m in trance,  and while I’m in the trance state I have access to a point of view that seems to come from a non-physical realm.  This series of programs is drawn primarily from videotapes taken during my regular classes.  We want to expand our circle, and include your energy and interest in our work.


   Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends. So, now, you want to do individual work. Please, begin.

   Yvonne: Micciah, I’ve volunteered to facilitate a workshop on non-hierarchical thinking patterns and ways of interacting.

   Micciah: Yes, good!

   Yvonne: I haven’t done anything like this before, and I’m just wondering if there’s anything you might tell me.

   Micciah: About what?

   Yvonne: Anything I haven’t thought of, like how to avoid having a hierarchical workshop, you know. The forms, the shapes that it can be conducted in and...

   Micciah: Ah. This is a good question. You are all dancing with dismantling the hierarchy. A circle is a non-hierarchical structure, just in terms of structure. A proscenium situation, with one person in the front and lots of people “out there” might be hierarchical. In the case of the theatre, it isn’t necessarily. In the case of someone delivering information, that form supports the hierarchy, yes? It magnifies the separation. So can you sit in a circle? Can you work in a circle?

   Yvonne: Yeah.

   Micciah: A hierarchy rests on the notion that one person is better, more important, more powerful, than the other people. In a group where one person is leading, that person needs to be able to be in charge without being in control, or being in the illusion of control. Leadership can be separated from hierarchies. That’s a paradox. You cannot give a workshop, with the responsibility for planning it and so forth on your shoulders, in your heart, and pretend that you are not leading it, yes? That is hypocrisy, that’s foolish. But you can teach. You must work with yourself, all of you. You can teach with an open and vulnerable heart. And teach and work in a spirit that is like this. [gestures back and forth and then circularly] Not like this. [gestures with hands in prayer pushed up to head level] The gesture of this [arms wide open] is very different from the supplication of that [hands in prayer, again]
   So where is the work really to be done? In here? [points to her forehead] In here? [points to her heart] In there, in your own heart. Imagine yourself in a situation of leadership, of responsiveness, and of responsibility for the plan. And a good plan, soft but clear, supports a new group coming together. We don’t think just having a mush is so good. So you need an organic form for what you wish to communicate. And then the work to be done is here. What part of you believes in hierarchy? What part of you is afraid of leadership? What part of you does not know how to lead without assuming the hierarchical role? And for all of you in this group and certainly all of you watching. You think “this one” is more important. You don’t, in class, because you know her. But that is a falseness, and it breeds damage.
   Hierarchies. In your heart you can absolutely encompass the full value of everyone, and then you will move from that as a teacher, as a leader. It is only a very temporary situation, leading. You need to be able to lead and follow and to separate that. Very hard. You were not brought up to do this. To separate leading and following from value, from worth, from “inferior” and “superior.” Because they are not connected. Leading is grace. Following is grace. A good meditation is one where you contemplate the forms and teaching in nature. Or look a t a magnified snowflake. Or the pattern of a leaf, the inside of a flower. Is the blossom any better than the roots? No, of course not, that’s silly. Well, do you think your head is better than your feet? You have a hierarchy in your body, in this Western culture. The head is the important thing. The bottom is not so important, but you wouldn’t want to try getting along without it. Your roots. And the heart is the balancing point between heaven and earth. If you move the information through your heart, you will communicate love, and there aren’t any hierarchies in love.
   So... For all of you, and all of you watching, pay attention to where you create a hierarchy. Or where you swallow down and ingest the information that there is one. There are people “out there” in power. That’s the illusion. It’s a very powerful illusion, isn’t it? Yes, very powerful, very potent. And it’s not the truth. Wherever you create yourself either inferior or superior, and differentiated from leading or following, or just being alone, there you have a snag. Leadership is just another job. You are a nation full of leaders. If you think about giving birth, what has that to do with leadership, with being inferior or superior? Think about the workshop as giving birth. You need the cooperation of the baby, the body, of the environment -- though, again, Western culture has created even that as a hierarchical environmental structure, yes? Quite amazing. As in the old phrase, which is hopefully going out of use, “The doctor delivers the baby.” The mother delivers the baby. That would be one tired little doctor after a while. [laughter] So you are delivering your workshop.
   Please go on.

   Yvonne: Thank you, Micciah.

   Micciah: You will do very well. You will love it.

   John: Micciah, I want to ask for a personal meditation about staying concentrated on the singing process and also about how to experience power through voice work.

   Micciah: Can you be more specific, John? Staying concentrated on the process means giving it time, or putting your attention in it when you do it.

   John: Paying attention to the technical parts. Staying focused on technique and and the hard work of technique. I have a hard time making myself do the discipline of it.

   Micciah: We hear from your language that you are trying to make yourself do something. And that as soon as you try to make yourself, you have the inner, internalized authority who says, “Now, John, you must be a good boy and do this.” And then you have the rebellious self who says, “I’m not going to do it.” Or, “Now, whatever your name is, be a good child and do this.” And then you have the rebellious self that says, “I’m not going to do it.” And we will tell you, we are not so good at horse racing, but we will tell you one thing for sure: the rebellious self always wins. [laughter] Always. Always. Because the rebellious energy has at its command wiliness. And the authority has only at its command punishing. So it is very scary. What we call the internalized child abuser, the internal voice of punishment, of demand, of authority (hierarchy), is, can be, frightening. But the wily critter of defiance always wins. This is because the authority voice, the punishing voice, is a conscious voice, is not very much connected with the roots. But the defiant voice has at its command the cleverness, the strategies of that which lies below daily awareness.
   So, well, so what? You need to enlist your wily self in its support, and to do this you have to stop punishing it. That’s where your creativity is! In the cleverness, the deep, intuitive cleverness. So ask that part of the self, “How can it help you with learning the form that you need to sing?” Just the way if you want to garden, you have to learn, you have to ask the plants. Reading a book with the names of the plants won’t do you anything for gardening, will it? You have to watch the earth and ask the plants and cherish the seeds and water when it’s dry. You must speak to the source if you wish to garden. Just so, in all creativity, singing or painting or whatever, teaching, speak to the source. Pay attention. Pay attention to the exquisite tissue of consciousness that will help you with your singing or your gardening. The intuitions, the outrageousness. And if you need to learn a form, and you may well need to -- if you want to build a house you’d better know how -- let that wily, clever part tell you what is needed. In the splitting of the energies you have a continuous battle. The authority against the rebellious one, the indulgent one. In the healing, the intuitive self, the inventive self, can speak its piece, and then the forms you learn will come, the energy to pay attention to the forms will come out of the cooperation.
   You want to know how clever that part of the self is? Haven’t you ever told yourself, “You will not eat a piece of chocolate cake now? Absolutely not. You’re sure. That’s for certain.” As your hand goes for the cake. [laughter] “How am I eating this cake?” So who, who is the clever one? Now, we are oversimplifying, because the hand eating the cake, so to speak, or drinking the beer, can be motivated by an unclaimed self-destruction. It needs guidance of the Great Self. But, John, your power, your power, is in having the spontaneity and cleverness that you all use to evade, to sabotage, to eat the cake.
   We will not deal right now with very deep problems of painful eating or compulsions, that’s a different area. Use that connection to the spontaneity of life to find the form that works together with it. Is that clear?

   John: Yes. So I have to just meditate and ask that part to speak to me?

   Micciah: Yes. Ask it to speak to you. Don’t try to beat it into submission, because then you are surprised, it doesn’t like being beaten! This is the same when the body is ill, out of balance, healing itself, and the conscious self, (often this is a misperception of metaphysics) the conscious speaking self [says], “Fool! You are sick! Stupid!” Then you are surprised when you don’t heal too readily. If you drive hatred into your pain -- this is a phrase Stephen Levine has used -- you cannot be amazed when you don’t heal. So do it with love in the spirit of investigation and exploration John.

   John: Thank you.
   Micciah: Yes. Please continue.

   Linda: Micciah, for the last month or month and a half, I’ve been going through a real opening of self, and some of that’s been a very painful process, and some of it’s been very wonderful. And I’d like to know how to work with the process in consciousness. And any suggestions that you might have to offer as far as meditation, or where it came from, or how to work through it more effectively.

   Micciah: You are working with it very effectively. It is really a rebirth. You are cracking the armor that was built at the emotional level, the emotional body, which then mirrored itself in the physical form, in the shape and contours of your feelings, in your responses and your choices. This is as if the planet “You” were having volcanoes and tidal waves of tears and washing down of the rain, and it is very shaken up, yes? You feel very shaken up. Out of this will come virtually new, fresh structures that replace old patterns of holding and numbness with great vitality. So, the word we hear is comfort. That you can seek those who comfort you, and you can comfort yourself in the midst of the transition. You are doing very good work. You are shifting, you were ready and you are. Now, the personality always wants things to be, [mimes smiling happily] whatever your mask is. So the personality level of the self is very upset when the other elements start to shift the dynamics of being. Be gentle. Gentle. Gentle. Screaming at yourself, again, blaming yourself slows it all down. Doesn’t speed it up, doesn’t heal it. If you think of screaming at a child as they are learning and growing, you know that will not help the child. (You may scream out of frustration.) But be gentle with yourself and compassionate in your changing. And let it take its time. In other times, before you had wonder drugs, the body was allowed to heal itself because you had time. If you needed to be wrapped in blankets for two weeks... Well, not always. Sometimes. There were some cultures where you did not have time, slave cultures where one was beaten or forced into labor. But in a general, and therefore incorrect sense, you need time.
   Time supports you in some changes. Deep personality changes that are initiated through the emotional and spiritual cooperation of those aspects of the self, like the garden, need to grow in time. And time, which you have on the physical plane, supports you. You don’t have to be thinking, “Hurry up, hurry up, get it done! Get it finished! Get the changes over with!” It takes time. You can’t force a carrot to grow faster just because you want it to. You could meditate that it could grow bigger, because you loved it. Faster is not so likely. It may be possible. Possible, but not so likely.

   So, we will continue the next time we meet.

   Micciah: We share with you much energy and love, and we bid you a very joyful evening.


   Julie: Is it over? It’s over. What we do in class after a Micciah session is talk the material through, agree and disagree, and we’d love you to do the same.
   Several final words. The thread that runs through my work of, which the channeling is one aspect, is healing. So, the thread of healing goes through my work with individuals, my teaching, my lecturing, my writing. And that healing, I believe, comes from a truthful exploration of one’s relationship with spirit. Spirit heals through us, and that healing enables us to be with the sacred nature of everyday life. I urge you to use your prayers and meditations toward experiencing the joy and sacred nature of life itself.

   Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellec­tual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”