Produced by Jon Child

Transcript of Program 44, 1986

Some of Julie’s early work in channel where Micciah discusses:
Time taken to reincarnate. “There is no time… it is an apparent function of the illusion of solidity.” View Section
Surrender “is a loving risk… to be in life in a way that is full of life.” View Section
Karma is a set of resonances that collect around an action. View Section

   Micciah:  We greet you all, dear friends.

   Julie:  We do greet you, indeed.  This is Micciah Channel, and I'm Julie Winter.  Micciah is an energy entity who works with me while I'm in trance, and while I'm in the trance state I have access to a point of view that seems to come from a non-physical realm.  This series of programs is drawn primarily from videotapes taken during my regular classes.  We want to expand our circle, and include your energy and interest in our work.

   Micciah:  We greet you all, dear friends.  It is a great joy to mix these two realms.  You are, while  you are in your physical bodies, surrounded or connected all the time with so much that you are not aware of, or that you are only peripherally aware of, or that you are aware of in dream time.  You can allow yourselves very easily, very naturally, to be aware of other realms, to be aware of my realm, this realm, to be aware of other nonphysical realms.  And this awareness adds immeasurably to the possibilities, to the potential, or your experience, of your freedom.  And your awareness of us adds to our potential and our creativity.  So, a two-way operation. 
    We would also like to welcome this new group.  You have together very bright, clear group energy.  This is a great day!  Please begin with your questions.

   Woman:  What I'd like to know is how long it takes the soul to incarnate, please.

   Micciah:  This brings us back to the question of time.  We tell you there is no time.  Time is an apparent function of the illusion of solidity.  But we will look through a lens of time in order to organize things in a time structure, the way you do in your life:  you were a child and now you are a grown person, and it sure looks as if time has passed.  Varying degrees.  Sometimes a body will go and another one will come from the same great self, or oversoul, like that! in terms of time.  Sometimes, if you look through the time lens it will be hundreds and hundreds of years.  So it depends on the purpose.  There is no set amount of time.  You also, you know, have what our friend Seth has called counterparts, that is, aspects of the great you, of which your personality is a component, alive at the same time on the same planet, like leaves on a branch.  Well, not that many.  So it varies.
    Time is one of the illusions of separateness, yes?  This moment separate from that moment.  You came in this morning, and that was then, and this is now, and the coffee cup is empty.  Time has passed.  Your hair is getting grey.  But that is all set up by you out of the vastness of your own dancing and your own creativity.  The apparent dilemma of time is a function of this particular realm.  And your culture has a very negative view of time in general.  But the more you believe in time, the more you believe in it at the mechanical level, the more bound you will be by it and the more its effects will be apparent.  When you are "done"  with this life, with this body, you can go back through all the times that you have created -- you won't go back in this particular suit but you, the part of you that is not in the physical, can cruise through what you have created in a lifetime -- and redo portions, or go into probable aspects that were never explored.     We would like to say one more thing about this.  It is hard to describe in language.  Language is structured in sentences which have a beginning, a middle, and an end.  Period.  New paragraph.  So all your language contributes, literally, at the level of your nervous system, to the continued illusion of time.  There are other cultures where language is used differently and time is viewed differently.  One more thing.  That the paradoxical awareness of the preciousness of each moment is one of the great pleasures of physical life.  So we don't want to throw out the window everything about time.

   Micciah:  Please continue.

   Woman:  Okay.  I have two questions, and I guess you'll choose whichever.  One question is on the nature of surrender, specifically dealing with the source of the fear and anxiety.  Another -- I think you explained a lot of it on time, but...  What is the definition of karma?  How do we use it in our life?  Some people say it is a cause and effect type thing, and I just would like to know a little bit more about it.

   Micciah:  We will start with surrender.  Love and surrender and trust are all threaded together.  Your common notion of surrender is really very much like capitulation, yes?  You surrender the battle.  It has a somewhat negative connotation, or at best a passive connotation.  Or if you were trained in a particular religion, it has the connotation of a sort of giving away of your power and just doing as you are told, although in a deeper, even in a religious, context, it may be a feeling of yielding.  We would like to define it in a different way.
    First of all, in the loosening of the personality's grip -- And this stuff about the personality is just a model, it is just a way of talking about things.  Don't make it into a philosophy -- but in the personality's grip on things, it is hard to surrender because the personality, and the thinking self, and the talking self are threatened at every turn.  The sovereignty of the personality, its isolation and separateness, which is what it wants, its sense of being an individualist, are threatened.  The personality is really best equipped to deal with life at a mechanical level.  Putting your shoe on, taking your shoe off.  Doing this and having that happen.  That is the way the personality organizes itself, and really those are the limitations of its powers when it is divorced from, or separated from, the greater qualities of creativity, the greater possibilities.  So, the personality is always protecting itself. In the most extreme psychological disorders, the fear mounts into what you call paranoia, where there is a weakened sense of self and an enormous sense of threat.  And you must heal that before you work with surrender.  It is virtually pointless to tell someone who is in the grip of that kind of terror to work with surrender.    So, in order to play -- let's say play.  Enough work --  with surrender you need to soften the edges of the personality and allow that aspect of self to experience its fears about being moved off the throne, moved away from its sovereignty and from its control, or its illusion of control.  And then, when it is softened, when the judgments and the edges of the personality self can melt, there is a sense of relief, of pleasure.  It is almost like an emotional orgasm.  You may have felt this deeply in a particular moment, it may have come about without being integrated.  In the 1960's, when people took very strong drugs, hallucinogenic drugs, that too quickly loosened the hold, or the focus, of the personality, people were flooded, ahhhhhh, by the sense of the possibilities, by the ecstasy of surrender.  Surrender is a risk.  It means softening the edges, or the boundaries, the way the personality self holds itself.  It is exciting, it is pleasurable.  And it is a yielding, not into a greatess that is other than you -- no!  It is yielding into your real heritage.  You are more creative than your wildest dreams.  More spontaneously loving, if you let yourself be.  More vital, more compassionate. 
    So, "surrender," in the way that we are using the word, is a loving risk.  And it is enlivening and exciting.  It is not lying there like a lox:  "I surrender."  Maybe there is a better word.  It means really opening to life or plunging into life.  Gently, gently.  You don't want to tear your personality focus out by the roots, you know.  Surrender,  the risk of surrender, opens you to your real power, which is the power to go beyond the judgments of the talking self, the power to choose to be in life in a way that is full of life, the power to have all your feelings.  You have your feelings.  You have them.  You are not your feelings.  They occur in the matrix of your being.  Surrender is part of healing. To go back to the earlier description, you don't know how many cells you need to heal your finger, you just surrender to the intelligence of your body.  It is like that on a grand scale.

   Karma...  Surrender is thought of as passive, yes?  We were going to say rather that it is active, but really it goes beyond the concept of active or passive.  It is like waves.  Karma is the same.  We are going to give you another model.  Don't get stuck in its rightness, it is just a model. 
    In the cause and effect way of holding things, one action results in another action or reaction.  That is not such a useful model.  Suppose you think of karma as a set of resonances.  We will give you an example.  You have a fight with someone.  You are on the telephone and she says something that makes you really angry, and you say, "The hell with you!" and you bang the phone down.  That sets up resonances, like resonances in music, where you play one note and there are overtones and undertones.  And those resonances have a collecting quality, let us say, a magnetic quality.  The resonance in this case is probably personal wounding and hurt, because usually that's what anger is, yes?  Anger collects around hurt.  Anger is a warning system about being hurt.  So, you banged the phone down, and the resonances are emerging from your action.  And they will start to collect around them events of like nature.  Just because.  So it looks like cause and effect. 
    But, try shifting it.  You bang the phone down, and then you take a moment, go into your breath, let's say, play a little bit with surrender or forgiveness -- Don't cut off the anger.  First be angry if you're angry.  First things first!  Play with your breath.  Well.  You play with the resonances set up by this interchange.  You can shift them, like turning a radio dial or a television dial to a different set of frequencies, so that even though these resonances were initiated -- we are going to stay in the time frame -- at the point of banging down the phone, at the point where you choose to shift your awareness, you set up a different field of resonances, which will shift the outcome and diminish the collecting nature of whatever transpired when you banged down the phone.  So, you are more creative than your wildest dreams.  You can shift the karma, the uncooked quality.  Someone acts, you respond, you're angry, you start to collect stuff, other events, you remember...  Your mind will help you in this.  "All the other times that son of a bitch did such and such!"  And stuff starts to collect around that, and then you will meet it in the world, just because that is what is collecting. If you take some time and shift it, take a little awareness, and breathing time, then you will collect around something else.  Then that set of resonances won't have much collecting energy, it will just dissipate itself, so to speak.
    Is that clear?

   Class:  Yes.

   Micciah:  It is not quite so mechanical as we are describing it, but as we say, it is a model.  So, life to life, when something has been set up, it is still collecting.  Or you have agreed to have it be collecting.  And you can get the seeming results from one life showing up in another life.  You can transform it any time you like.  It is what used to be called in religious teachings the law of grace, but we don't mean it really in a religious sense. 
    Now we are running out of time.  Or time is running out of us. 
    We would like you all to play with that during the week, in terms of your own power.  When something is set up, when you are creating this magnificent set of resonances, ask yourself whether that is the set you want.  Or in moving toward melting or surrendering into that which is greater than the personality self, do you wish to take some time, and breathe, and set up a different set?  As the I Ching says, no blame.  Because the talking self will always say, "Oh, you fool, you banged the phone down again."  Or, "Oh, you are so right to bang the phone down!"  Doesn't matter much if you banged it or you didn't bang it.  It's all right.  Either way it's all right. 
    We share with you much energy and  much love.  We thank you for your being here.  And we bid you a very joyful day.

   Julie:  Channeling is a little like that.  That's the end for now.  What we do in class at the end of a session is go over the information, talk about it, evaluate it, find out what works for us individually and what doesn't, and we invite you to do the same.

   Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellec­tual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”