Produced by Jon Child

Transcript of Program 64, 1986

Some of Julie’s early work in channel about channeling from 1987.
How we perceive our realm, and Micciah‘s realm: “What you perceive as your realm, this world.... is a collection of events that you hold together with the glue of your inner believing.” View Section
Has Micciah ever been channeled through any other physical body? The channeling realm is available to everyone, but it mingles with each individual’s deep self and inner knowing, so what we know as Micciah is unique to Julie. Some channels connect in ways similar to Julie, others differently. View Section

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   Micciah:  We greet you, dear friends.

   Julie:  We do greet you, indeed.  This is Micciah Channel, and I'm Julie Winter.  Micciah is an energy entity who works with me while I'm in trance, and while I'm in the trance state I have access to a point of view that seems to come from a non-physical realm.  This series of programs is drawn primarily from videotapes taken during my regular classes.  We want to expand our circle, and include your energy and interest in our work.
   This program is taken from two separate sessions.  It's about the nature of Micciah.  The first part also asks the questions: Where is Micciah when he or she is not channeling?  Where does he hang out?  And, is Micciah envious?

   Micciah:  Yes.  We greet you all, dear friends.  There has been much recent talk and questioning about what this is, this activity, this kind of communication that you call channeling.  One of the purposes is to draw into the living context of your culture, of the group in which you live, the possibility that there are other realms, other areas of aliveness, of consciousness, of thoughtfulness, and that you are, all, all of you, very naturally, all the time, connected by threads to other worlds, that what seems to be a single facet of reality, like one face of a crystal, is really a series of events, constantly created and woven together with other systems; and from those other systems you can achieve a different point of view.  And also there has always been journeying, traveling amongst the realms.  You do it in your sleep, you do it when you write, when you play music, when you make love.  This is as the identified reality, but it is very flimsy.  And the knowledge of how malleable reality is, how full of grace, and ruthlessness, and interwebbing, is liberating.  When you are aware of the pulsations, the ecstasy, the knowledge, the possibilities, of the probabilities of other realms, you can let go of your attachment to this, to this.  You can rest.  And it is fun, it is much more like playing with all your marbles.  No pun intended.

   Sheldon:  Well, I'm going to ask a two-part question that's probably going to continue what you started.

   Micciah:  Yes.

   Sheldon:  The first part of the question is where are you when you're not channeling, and what are you doing?  And the second part of the question is is there anything about our plane of existence that you are envious of?

   Micciah:  All right.  First we will have to grapple with the language.  What you perceive as me is the threading through of an aspect of a whole realm as it is, uh, connecting with this aspect.  It is all here.  All of space is here.  All of the other realms are here.  They don't bump in...  We don't bump into you, to use this analogy, because we are not three-dimensional.  So we, we, all of the realms are always present.  Now...  Do you understand?

   Sheldon:  Almost.

   Micciah:  So far?

   Sheldon:  Except the use of the word "realm" which sounds as if you're saying you're part of a...

   Micciah:  Place.

   Sheldon:  ... whole thing as opposed to...  I consider myself, rightly or wrongly, an individual part of this, and...

   Micciah:  Ah!

   Sheldon:  ...and you're describing yourself as a realm that...

   Micciah:  Well, we will...  That...  So now we will tune it a little more finely.  That's what we were about to do.  You, you are individual and unique,  certainly you are individual and unique, and you also participate in a whole extraordinary set of agreements and probabilities.  And what you perceive as your realm, this world, Fifteenth Street, Iowa, California, whatever, is a collection of events that you hold together with the glue of your inner believing.  So what you perceive as me -- it is hard even to say what you perceive as Micciah -- is, uh, [pause] a cluster.  You are really a cluster.  Everyone is a cluster, of events and probabilities, with your nose showing in one direction.  You have attached to you, so to speak, oh, many other lifetimes, all clustering and dancing with you, and you show the physical face.  So we are in another realm that is not dense matter as you would say this is dense matter.  And I am part of a cluster that is part of that realm. And one of my..., the edge of one of my clusters can communicate with the edge of one of "this one's" clusters.  That is a model.  Does that make sense?

   Sheldon:  Yeah.

   Micciah:  Now, since I in the realm I dwell in, to use your... you have to use your language.  I am not bound by time.  I am doing this, as you would say, and I am doing other things as well, I am participating in other ways.  So are you, but you tend not to recognize it.  So there is a probable Margaret, and there are Margarets of other physical times, and they are all dancing together.  Even as you go along opening to ordinary life, and in the delight, or the sadness, or the depression of it, or whatever.  It's very hard to talk about.  It feels as if the language itself is constraining.  Want to push it open.
   Is that clear?

   Sheldon:  Yes.

   Micciah:  There are also activities, so to speak, that I could not describe to you because they don't have any paraphernalia.
   Please go on.

   Sheldon:  The second part of the question was is there any aspect of our realm that you're envious of.

   Micciah:  Not envy, no.  Envy is really an induced, human characteristic.  It is a yearning, tinged with...  what, unpleasantness.  We are delighted.... (They are all emotional words).   Sometimes...  Well, this is a slight digression.  When someone has recently left the physical form, there will be an aspect of the self that has left what it still considers to be its body that yearns to be in form.  And when you come into form, when you are born, you sometimes have a great yearning to be in the world.  Sometimes it's more reluctance.  But we would say no envy.  Admiration sometimes.  Except that these are emotional words based in your reality and not so applicable to other realms.  Admiration for your endurance.  Surprise that in this historical time it has been so hard to communicate between the realms.  It's getting easier.  We are very grateful, however, very appreciative toward all of you for giving of your precious time in this exchange.  And there are often visitors to your group, learning about the dynamics of the physical world, preparing to enter the illusion of time, who are here learning with you, so sometimes the room is full.  It is, uh, considered to be a great privilege to have this cross talk. 

   Julie:  You think that tapping means somebody else is here?  No, it isn't.  It's the steam.  Occasionally someone has asked me whether I can see entities with my physical eyes.  And my response has always been no.  And I would probably be terrified if I did.  But the information is that sometimes the room is full -- standing room only.
   Now here comes the second part.  We're going to talk about whether other people can channel Micciah as an entity; and, what is Micciah's relationship to other channels?

   Brenda:  Micciah, I wanted to ask if you've ever been channeled through any other physical body at any time in history.

   Micciah:  What you experience as we, as me, is really [pause] an aspect of a realm of consciousness, of awareness, where it meets the web of this being.  And, uh, the two go together.  So, for comfort and convenience we seem to have a personality.  Now [pause], this realm, my realm, overlaps yours but is not solid in the way that you define solid, so we don't bump into each other.  And, uh, this is not a communication from a whole realm but [pause] I am an entity, a cluster, or an intelligence, a love that can weave into and through "this one," so what is produced you call Micciah. We are really an effect.  Central casting.  [laughter].  It is, uh, the way "this one's" stillness and her journeying and her risk-taking draw us through, so her personality is, uh, becomes transparent.  We don't inhabit her.  She's not taken over.  But it is a cooperative endeavor.  And, uh, the personality does not disappear, but it becomes sheer. And her own deep knowing, various aspects of it, are drawn up to the surface and mingle with this other realm.  This is just a model, a model.  Don't take it too seriously.  But this is a way of trying to express to you what happens.  So, no, in the sense that you would get a different effect if you channeled this realm, Brenda, and you sometimes do, it would present itself differently.  "This one," this being has in alternate lifetimes become very familiar with techniques that make this form of doing this a natural one for her.  She has practiced in other lifetimes.  But you could draw on this realm and it would come through you in a unique way.  So, yes, this realm is available, and no, the effect that you call Micciah is the interweaving of this being and in that sense unique.
   Brenda:  Thank you.

   Micciah:  Yes.  So, we will leave you now.  Well, one more thing.  You see, the more channeling is written about in this form, or what seems to be like this form, although as we said the people who are doing it are really doing different things, and it is all called channeling as if it were the same, the more it is written about, the more it appears in The News, The  Mirror, the more solid it will become, the more people will have opinions about it and about who does it properly.  And what is the real stuff and what is really channeling and so forth.  So it is...  You are entering a phase when all of this kind of thing is going to become presented to many many people, and then it is going to become very solid because when you start to talk about something, you begin to acquire beliefs about it.  Beliefs can be very solid indeed.  Then the beliefs crash into each other.  And then, uh, you will have an institute that licenses channeling.  [laughter]  You see, it will go from being wild and amorphous to being discussed to becoming solid to becoming an institution, with rules, schools, board meetings...

   Lainie:  Are the so-called channelers that have achieved some bit of notoriety, do they, do they connect with the realm in the way that Julie connects with the realm?

   Micciah:  Different ones, different, are doing different things, really.  Depending on the person. Some the same are... Jean, John do a very similar kind of connection.

   Lainie:  And this woman who has at the moment gained so much notoriety with the 35,000 year old spirit...

   Micciah:  How would one know his age?

   Lainie:  So he claims.

   Micciah:  Hmm.  Twenty-one plus.  No, that is something different.  Called the same thing, but it isn't the same thing. It's different.  For one thing, Julie is perfectly well aware when she speaks.  For another, in the model we are using, I am not any particular age.  I am not a being who was a person, although distant elements of, mm, the cluster that she connects with when you think it's me have had threads of its own in the physical world.  But I, as you experience me, am not a person who died many years ago. From our point of view, there isn't any time anyway, so I don't have any age.  So.  Don't take anyone's word for anything.  Find out for yourselves what feels right. 

   Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellec­tual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”