Produced by Jon Child

Transcript of Program 68, 1987

Some of Julie’s early work in 1986 where Micciah discusses:
Dolphins as guardians of the planet: “They are transmitters of immense love and compassion and protection... and act as a ring of healers for the planet.” There are other animals, trees and people who act as guardians also. View Section
Unhealthy desire: “When you lose contact with the wellspring of your own aliveness, then you start to look outside for something to make it better. That kind of yearning that is created when your own life force has been cut off is addictive.” View Section
Depression: Some people become attached to the cycle of being up and down emotionally as part of their creative process. Some are addicted to movement and busyness and don’t want to allow periods of rest and quiet. Some are searching for self-worth from outer success. Try “to allow yourself to fall toward it, to feel the net holding you underneath.” View Section

   Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends.

   Julie: We do greet you, indeed. This is Micciah Channel, and I’m Julie Winter. Micciah is an energy entity who works with me while I’m in trance, and while I’m in the trance state I have access to a point of view that seems to come from a non-physical realm. This series of programs is drawn primarily from videotapes taken during my regular classes. We want to expand our circle and include your energy and interest in our work.


   Micciah: Yes. We greet you all, dear friends.

   Margaret: Micciah, you’ve mentioned dolphins as being the guardians, in this world, of the planet. What does that mean and what are some of the other guardians?

   Micciah: Yes. This is related to what we are saying about the interpenetration amongst the various realms, or qualities of consciousness and being. As entities, the dolphins are always able to hear other realms, not just the realm from which I, we, speak, but many many of them, the web of all that is. And they are transmitters of immense love and compassion and protection and communicate what is happening, so to speak, in the other levels of reality, and act as a ring of healers for the planet. Now we can hear you thinking, “Well, that is ridiculous, why do dolphins heal the planet?” They heal the planet through their being. And they are the embodiment of compassion. And they communicate telepathically with each other, always, and they create what you could see as a ring around your planet. They are capable of calling for help if it is needed. They speak to the plant realms and the water realms.
   There are conscious entities that protect the earth. They don’t, they will not interfere, but they are beaming vast stores of creative tissue. This is hard to explain. There are other animals like the dolphins who are very wise. Some of the trees are guardians. Some people in some lifetimes are guardians. [pause]
   Is that clear?

   Margaret: Yes.

   Micciah: You have made such a painful division between human beings and the rest of the planet. The eagles, in their way, though not the same as dolphins, are guardians. It is a certain quality of consciousness that in itself forms a net that holds the earth.
   You can learn from the guardians. They are not dumb animals. Sometimes individual animals of other species also take on this role. There will be formed a certain kind of attunement. Yes.

   Margaret: Is that what certain people mean by allies? Say certain animals can be, not necessarily all of the species, but just certain animals can be...

   Micciah: The concept of ally is related, yes. The concept in many shamanic traditions is related to finding a guardian to which you are attuned. A wolf, a buffalo, that is your filter. No, your connection to the ring. People have their own connection, their own possibility of connection, but you don’t make them very often in your culture in waking time. You do make them in dream time. Some of you who had drug experiences in the 1960’s began to sense your connection to guardians. This... we don’t... This is not a metaphor, this is quite literal.
   Please continue.

   Arthur: Micciah, I’m interested in having your comment on desire. I perceive desire in two ways. One I might call an unhealthy desire, from a perceived deficit in our makeup. Something where we go outside to try and fill up that deficit. And then maybe what might be called a healthy desire which I’m not even sure... I guess something other than that kind of desire. So I’m interested in kind of the dichotomy between the two, how to kind of recognize the difference. And also just how important desire is in this realm.

   Micciah: So, this is a very juicy word, “desire”. And, uh, many of your religions have uncomplementary things to say about desire. Yet it seems quite stubborn, yes? So, to yearn for something that is outs..., seemingly outside the self, that you imagine will fill you up, complete you, that if you could only have it, if you could only pluck that thing, it would assuage — that is a word, yes? — ameliorate your questions about your self worth. If you could only have “this,” then life would be worth living. Then you would be worth something. That kind of yearning that is created when your own life force has been cut off is addictive. There is no end to it. You will want one thing and then another and another. And as you get the things, the oppositional mind, the splitting mind, the mind that sees duality in the world, will either clutch it: “This is mine. Now I have this and I feel better. And I will keep it, and I will not allow you to steal it from me.” And then what happens? Boredom. “I don’t want that one any more.” Because of course it does not do what it was supposed to have done. So that desire is addictive and unending. And it is laden with attachment. Can do it about people, too, yes? Doesn’t have to be an object. “If only I could have this person — this lover, this wife or husband — my life would be complete.”
   When you lose contact with the wellspring of your own aliveness, which is your birthright, then you start to look outside, so to speak, for something to make it better, to ease the pain. When you feel your life, then you can choose what will fulfill your real needs, and the desperation is gone, because the fullness and completeness of your own life energy then seems to mirror itself in what presents itself to you on your path. And then there is not much attachment. You can hold it lightly. But do not interpret this to mean that the first one is “bad”. It just is what it is. When the life force is flickering in its well-being, you will notice, when you are yearning after something because you think it will fill you, it tells you some part of your own energy, your own vitality, is being cut off.
   How do you distinguish between the two? That’s what you were asking at the end. Trying to suck in toward what you perceive as your emptiness, or worthlessness has a quality of desperation. Feeling full of life and dancing with the possibilities has a quality of celebration. And it’s all worthwhile. The journeying itself, when you feel the vitality that is yours — not only physical vitality but emotional vitality, intellectual vitality — that journeying is not dismal but is pleasurable.
   Is that clear?

   Micciah: Please go on.

   Philip: The subject that concerned me that I wanted to ask you about seems now to be a back side of this question of desire. The lack of desire. What you might call depression. The lack of precisely what you were talking about. The feelings of worthlessness, meaninglessness, all of these times when one would like very very much to desire, and even suffer from desire, and yet all one feels is the darkness, hopelessness, inertia. And I guess to formulate it as a question, is this inevitable? Avoidable? Should it be avoidable? Does it have a necessary role? Is it part of the creative process? Is it something that can be transcended, should be transcended? Or what?

   Micciah: That about covers all the possibilities. [laughter] When you speak of depression, do you mean of a momentary, even if it is recurring, variety or a state into which someone has descended, if you will, and remained for many many years?

   Philip: Well, I fortunately never experienced that. I’m obviously talking not academically but out of my own concern.

   Micciah: Yes.

   Philip: Today, for instance, having climbed out of a pit of about a week’s duration. But it seems to me it’s probably the same thing, and I’m just thankful that I haven’t been in a permanently chronic... Although it certainly feels that way when you’re in it, that you’ll never get out of it again!

   Micciah: Yes. It’s quite amazing how you are so conscious of your joyful feelings being ephemeral while the difficult ones seem... you have perfect faith they will endure forever. No, they are different. They are different. Uh. We are going to speak of the kind of depression that comes and goes rather than a deep, so-called clinical depression, even though there may be overlapping similarities.
   First of all, it serves a different purpose for different people. There are people who need to, or believe that they need to, go down to go up. People who in their inner structuring of belief will create a dark night of the soul because part of them is enamored of that drama, the sense of hopelessness. Hopelessness. Loss. Futility. And the other side of that, so brilliantly illuminated by comparison, is bright and scintillating and hopeful. And sometimes an individual will become enamored of that cycle, and that becomes part of the way that they create. Even though they may say to themselves at the moment that the darkness descends, “Oh, no, I always want to be on the up side.” So in that case it is part of the creative drama. That is one possibility.
   Your words, you use words that refer to very very different dynamics. It is all the same word. It is possible that what you..., that you are addicted temperamentally to movement, that your sense of your well-being depends on a particular quality of vitality, of movement, of busyness, of being engaged. Then what are really resting periods, where you fill up, where your cells are nourished in a different way, and your creativity is watered, the psychological self may perceive that quiet time as a depression. So you would call it a depression even though it is truly a time of nurturing. It would be a most interesting experiment for those of you who as you say “suffer” from depression to allow yourself to fall toward it, to see if you can feel the net holding you underneath. Rather than trying to kick yourself up, out of it. It is possible that what you are calling depression appears when, to go back to this question, you have been searching for something to fill you. To pluck from the world a success that will fill you with self worth. And when one is engaged constantly in that search, even if you are overtly successful, there is an inner despairing quality because part of you knows that that manipulation doesn’t truly work. So there are a bunch of possibilities for just one word.
   Would you like to ask further?

   Philip: I wonder if you couldn’t go further into the possibilities of if not completely breaking the cycles then transforming them into more positive uses.

   Micciah: Well it depends on which of those... There are numbers of others as well. First of all, if you can gently peel your judgment off the feeling state, if you can begin to be aware that you are judging your need to rest, or your sadness, or your despair, so that you can’t really be in it, what you have instead of being in it is your judgment about it. Wherever you can melt damaging judgments, self-damaging judgments, wherever you can let them melt, you enhance the totality of available life energy. So...
   We do share with you much energy and much love. And we bid you a very good evening. From all our friends as well.


   Julie: I want to remind you that the channeling that I do with Micciah is really an ongoing exploration; in watching and listening, you’re part of the exploration. So the work is here and it is our intention to share it with those of you who watch. You need to evaluate it for yourselves, to go over the information, to assess what feels right to you, use what feels right and let the rest go.

   Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellec­tual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”