MICCIAH CHANNEL: JULIE WINTER
Produced by Jon Child
Transcript of Program 77, 1987
Some of Julie’s early work in channel from 1987 where Micciah discusses:
• Greed and generosity: Greed is fear, often resulting from emotional starvation. Generosity is trust. View Section
• Working for prosperity without harming the environment or encouraging the voraciousness of consumerism. Offer “simply what you have.... what is beloved.” Meditate not on ‘more,’ but on ‘enough.’ View Section
[The original videotape is visually too damaged to seamlessly repair in sections, but the tape is viewable. Or just listen.]
Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends.
Julie: We do greet you, indeed. This is Micciah Channel, and I’m Julie Winter. Micciah is an energy entity who works with me while I’m in trance, and while I’m in the trance state I have access to a point of view that seems to come from a non-physical realm. This series of programs is drawn primarily from videotapes taken during my regular classes. We want to expand our circle, and include your energy and interest in our work.
Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends. We would like to talk about generosity and greed, and the way in which greed saps or destroys liveliness. And the way in which generosity both expresses and nurtures inner power. When we speak of generosity we mean generosity toward the self, with self as well as with others. The condition of greed, although there are different varieties of greed -- it is not really all one thing -- still in a general sense the condition of greed comes from a disconnection from the One, from All That Is. And from the sources that are constantly available if you will call upon them.
Greed is based on fear, and on a kind of compulsive sucking, pulling that is not a real exchange or flow of energies, but a drawing into the self with no satisfaction experienced because half of the flow is severed. Greed is really fear. Greed and voraciousness. They do not arise out of true emptiness. Emptiness produces a natural flow and desire for replenishment and release. Greed can come about on an organic level. When there is starvation in the belly, in the physical belly -- well, after awhile physical hunger dies -- but if it is wakened there is greed. The greed is not from the hunger itself but from the fear state that has been engendered by the hunger. It is the same on the emotional level when the emotional body has been deprived of nourishment. There is -- when the defrosting comes, the numbness, which is part of starvation -- when that goes, there is a sucking, a sort of wild sucking, but without satisfaction, without contact. So.
Generosity emerges through trust. And even in the most minute portion of your cells there is an innate trust. It can be damaged, it can be abused, but that deep trust is always present somewhere, and if it can be roused then healing begins to occur -- whether it is emotional healing, physical healing, they are all intertwined, mental healing, healing in the mind, in the thoughts. And if you will pay attention to yourself, with no judgement, or at least don’t validate your judgements, just observe, you will see if you pay attention, the places that you are starved and afraid because those places will be marked by greed. It is very interesting to open up your greed, not to act it out, but to open it up to awareness, not to have to hide and say, “Oh no. Greedy? Certainly not. Not I.” Not to have to control the monster but to let it speak, to let your awareness rest on it, specifically in order to heal. The areas -- we will say it again -- where you experience greed, there is really fear and malnourishment of some kind. When the process of nourishment begins, whether it is the most basic kind of physical nourishment, or the most basic kind of emotional nourishment, or mental nourishment or spiritual nourishment, what starts to come up around it, what sprouts around it, is appreciation. And appreciation and generosity go together.
So. Please, what would you like to discuss?
John: Micciah, I would like to ask how a person can work on personal prosperity when it seems like all the vehicles, or most of the vehicles, for getting abundance have to do with products or services that deplete the environment.
Micciah: Yes. That are greedy or voracious. That come from fear. That suck without giving back -- no satisfaction. Well, no one is going to like this answer very much. You cannot support greed and voraciousness without supporting it. Now. This leaves you with a dilemma. The moment you put your money in a bank they invest it, yes? You no longer have personal control. You are all part of the web of this culture, unless you wish to go to a mountaintop and grow all of your own food and store it naturally without using electricity to freeze anything and hack ice off the pond in the winter and keep it in an ice house or go and live in a climate where you can grow everything, where you don’t need heat. There is no way out. It is like Sartre’s NO EXIT. There is no way out in the mechanical sense. You are here. You have to make your way in the environment. You must decide individually as a matter of intention -- intention to heal, to work with healing the planet, to represent love -- you must decide: over what domains do you have control? We mean control in the literal sense, like controlling a car to be on the road. If you have money and you want to put it in the stock market, then you can choose things that don’t rape the environment, that don’t poison the air. That means you will have to do a little research, because there are things that appear to be non-toxic that are not. But you can also have money and be inventive and invest it in other things. There are ways of investing money that support life, but you will have to sniff them out.
There is also a question about prosperity on every level. It doesn’t mean you have to have huge amounts of money. We are talking about prosperity as money just in this instance. In noticing the body of your relationship to money, where do you experience unacknowledged greed? Where in the body of your relationship to the energy of money do you find you want to suck without giving back (which just means that is an area where you feel fearful)? When you begin to heal the fear you can circulate. The worst thing you can do with money is to hang onto it in a fearful way. Not worst in a moral sense, but the way to have money flourish is to be in generous use of it.
Now there are people who “get rid” of money, who are addicted to spending. Addiction is a kind of starvation, yes? Addiction -- trying to suck, to pull wellness, health, energy, security in (makes a sucking noise), to get it from somewhere, not from spirit, not from your own belly, not from your brain, not from your heart, but to stick it in your arm with a needle, or stick it in your bank account where no one can touch it, or in a wiz-kid investment, or whatever. To be addicted to spending is not generous. To get, to have to get rid of money, or to spend money in a neurotic way, is not a symbol of generosity. We don’t want you to confuse generosity with getting rid of everything you have, compulsively. There are two pulses.
Julie: Okay, stop for a moment and pay attention to what your response is to the information that’s just been channeled. Does it seem to be comfortable, right and appropriate for you? Would you like to think about it further? What does your body feel like right now? What is your breath like right now? And now we’re going to go back and do some more channeling.
Micciah: Please, John, do you want to ask further about this?
John: I guess the big issue for me is that no matter what you do, what you invent to create money, it involves some kind of proliferation of services, of goods, of requiring of finding a market, of finding people who need more. So that there’s a constant cycle that’s created of needing more, people needing more, and urging people, persuading people to take more. And that seems to me destructive.
Micciah: Yes. What would give you the courage to interrupt that cycle? Because that cycle is also a cycle of starvation, yes? More, more things. And it isn’t.... to need more, all the time, indicates something hasn’t gone in and been satisfied. The fantasy is that more will satisfy. But it doesn’t. It is like a fire of fat. You know, the.... it adds.... you can’t put out a fat-fire with water. No, that’s not a good analogy.
It doesn’t work to have more. So what does it mean to simply offer what you have? And to have the courage to remove yourself from the consciousness of more? You have to re-conceive of the whole thing. You don’t have a slot for it in your thinking. How do you offer what is beloved? If you are an astrologer and you wish to share your work, if you are doing massage, if you are a therapist, if you are a writer, if you are a painter, how in the midst of a vast hypnotic state, a chant, of more more more more, more weapons, more money, more electricity -- how do you remove yourself from that entrancing state? We think this session is not going to make anyone very happy. It may relieve you, however, to begin to meditate, not on “less,” because “less” opposes itself to “more,” but on “enough.”
Now there are some areas where more would be of great use. More food for starving children, for starving people, more homes to care for people who are sleeping in your streets, more in that direction would be very good indeed. The kind of more into which you are hypnotized is a more that comes from fear and starvation which breeds contraction and greed. And the more that is offered -- and what you are talking about, we will use a moral word, which is taint -- the more that is offered, is offered in a tainted way. It is tainted with the unacknowledged greed of the people offering. If you were all to start acknowledging the starving places in your bodies, emotional and otherwise, you would make a space for the possibility of enough. But you would have to be -- it would have to be -- radical to do this. To give yourself away -- this teaching is in every metaphysical story -- to give yourself away out of your alignment with the beating of the great cosmic heart of spirit is to be constantly replenished. But you can’t fake it. This one is like walking over hot coals. You can’t -- you are either in a consciousness where you can do it, or you’re not. The mechanical substitution of martyrdom, of apparent saintliness, doesn’t work. It just breeds resentment.
So first you have to go through all the stages of feeding yourselves and each other. T’would be a wonderful ritual in your class to feed each other, to work with greed and generosity. You do feed each other emotionally. We mean literally. You have to go through the layers of development, about having and not having, greed and generosity, trust and resentment. You can’t do this by giving all out of a resenting, resentful, stance, because then what you are really giving people is your resentment. You are all familiar with that, yes? So. Hmmm. You can start on a very small level by small, modest but truthful, modest and truthful -- what are you willing to give away in your life? This has come up before, particularly in this group which has a history of being much concerned with social issues and generosity. What are you willing to give away? And your culture is both very admiring about people who give things away, and very contemptuous. That’s a double bind. So. We will leave you with that.
We thank you very much for your attention. We would like to thank all of you and to thank “this one”; she does continue to open herself, to let herself have courage and go on. We bless you all, and we bid you a most joyful evening.
Julie: I want to remind you that the channeling that I do with Micciah is really an ongoing exploration; in watching and listening, you’re part of the exploration. So the work is here and it is our intention to share it with those of you who watch. You need to evaluate it for yourselves, to go over the information, to assess what feels right to you, use what feels right and let the rest go.
Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellectual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”