Produced by Jon Child

Transcript of Program 95, 1987  [CC]

Some of Julie’s early work in channel from 1987 where Micciah discusses:
Joy vs. Pride: if pride is “a loving acknowledgement of the self,” it flows together with joy. If you need to accomplish in order to feel worthy, that is “a false state. View Section
Handling impatience while allowing creative energy: We are conditioned in this culture to demand results. In this system the pleasure of unfolding and process is taken away. “Help yourself yield into process.” View Section
Could there be civilizations in the center of the earth? No. View Section
Despair, and repeatedly confronting the same issues: Despair is “isolation and the loss of the protective indwelling love of spirit.” Facing issues repeatedly without the support of spirit “has a hard unyielding tearing quality.” In our culture we are attached to results in our emotional lives as well as in every other area. View Section

   Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends.

   Julie: We do greet you, indeed. This is Micciah Channel, and I’m Julie Winter. Micciah is an energy entity who works with me while I’m in trance, and while I’m in the trance state I have access to a point of view that seems to come from a non-physical realm. This series of programs is drawn primarily from videotapes taken during my regular classes. We want to expand our circle and include your energy and interest in our work.
   I want to thank all of you who have been watching and who have written to me. And what you are going to see is me, with my personality and intelligence, awareness, go into an altered state. And while I’m in that altered state, I join with other energies, or another energy, and produce the personality of Micciah. I have, in that state, an awareness that I don’t ordinarily have. And I’m going to respond to questions that my classes have asked me.


   Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends. So, what are your questions?

   Susan: Micciah, I’d like you to speak on the difference between the feeling of joy in accomplishments and the feeling of pride in accomplishments.

   Micciah: Joy and pride. It depends somewhat on the way in which you define pride. If you imagine pride as a loving acknowledgement of the self and of what has been created through the movement of the divine as it knows itself through you, then pride and joy flow together. Yet they are not obviously synonymous. They are complimentary threads. But when pride is interpreted as the need to accomplish in order to feel worth, therefore when you have accomplished something you are allowed to feel good about yourself, then they are not so complimentary, because pride in that sense is based on a premise that you are not worth anything until you prove it by doing whatever it is, accomplishing. You can accomplish much and still have a very low sense of self esteem and little sense of connection with spirit. You can accomplish very little in a worldly sense and be deeply connected to joy and spirit. So, they are complimentary when one already feels worthy.
   Pride often is associated with the word shame, to be shamed is to lose one’s sense of pride in one’s self, and we feel that shame is a powerful negative motivation in the emotional life of many many people, and that also to feel shamed sucks joy out of the emotional body. It leaves you needing to bolster your pride through accomplishment.
   So, that is always a false state, that is a state whose symptoms will never be alleviated. You will always be running them to pull yourself up, to accomplish the next thing, to recoup your sense of pride through accomplishment and diminish or bury the shame. So that is not exactly an answer. Yet, it is response. Joy is pleasure. Exultation. And there is a biochemical affect of joy on the body. Joy is a great healer. Please go on.

   Irwin: Micciah, how does one handle the impatience of youth and the impatience of someone like myself, slightly older youth, without killing off the creative energy that goes with it?

   Micciah: Impatience. And when you say impatience you mean impatience to have something done with, or to have a result, impatience as a state of mind.

   Irwin: Impatience as a state of mind and for results.

   Micciah: To be attached to a result, which you are absolutely conditioned to be in this culture, particularly, and attached to certain results, not just any results, to be attached to a result is immediately to induce impatience, because then you shear away the pleasurable connection with the process of unfolding, unveiling, exploring, having yourself ride through the waves of spontaneity and experiment with form. You take that away. You focus on one intersection of the process and say, “That’s the valuable thing.” So, to do that is to lose immediately the possibilities of the resource of pleasure in process. And that too Irwin, that sense of impatience, wanting something to be done, to get through, is related to Susan’s question about pride. To be attached to a result is to need the result like a fix, so that you can then allow yourself to have more loving feelings toward yourself, but only for a moment, because there is the next result.
   And how to deal with the impatience is not to try to make yourself less impatient, because that’s just another result, but rather to help yourself yield into the value of the process, to work perhaps with the child self, the inner child. Children often love process and don’t distinguish very well between process and result until they are taught, “Oh, finish that piece of work now, so you will have it finished. Time is running out on you.”
   Ask your child self to help you remember what it was like to have the pleasure of your own aliveness, because the attachment that you have to results and the impatience that that creates is in direct proportion to a dwindling of the sense of pleasure in process itself. And there is no result. A result is an illusion. It is a focused sort of illusion, rather than a sloppy illusion, but it is a fixation.
   All results are parts of waves of process, because all there is is process. We are not saying a result isn’t real, but it isn’t real in the way that you make it real because you isolate it from everything else like cutting away the whole flesh of the fruit, and then you have no nourishment. There is no nourishment available through trying to leap toward the result. So perhaps your child self could help you enjoy the process. Or think of the process as an accomplishment or a result if you want a reframe. Because, you see, as soon as you build something it starts to deteriorate. As soon as you accomplish something, there’s something else to accomplish. Then much energy must go to protect the accomplishment, to enthrone it, ennoble it, laud its importance. Do you understand what we are getting at?

   Irwin: Yes. I’m afraid I do. (laughter)

   Micciah: You could tell this one also. She is very impatient.

   Irwin: Yes.

   Micciah: And it is difficult when you are surrounded by so many voices urging you on to the great accomplishment; to the value of an accomplishment, prizes are given. Does anyone give a prize for the depth of your commitment to a process? No. You give prizes for people’s accomplishments. There is so much energy in the group mind devoted to that little point in the totality of process that you mock accomplishment. Why is the accomplishment not getting up in the morning or cutting your toenails or brushing your teeth? Is loving someone an accomplishment? And this also relates to pride. One feels pride in an accomplishment. Then there is that dreadful split in people who have accomplished much, much in the physical world, in the manifest world, and yet feel so desperate because of the loss of meaning of the process itself, that they are in despair. And you see that frequently in your culture.

   Irwin: Thank you, Micciah.

   Micciah: Good question.
   Please continue.

   Terry: It’s a silly question.

   Micciah: That’s alright.

   Terry: OK. But it’s something that has always sparked my curiosity and that is, is there, might there be a human-like civilization within the hollow earth?

   Micciah: What do you mean by the hollow earth? You mean within the center of the body of the earth?

   Terry: Yes. Correct. Hmm mmm.

   Micciah: No! There are many civilizations that are not on earth. We are sure you have all figured that out by now. It’s not very likely that in the vastness of possibility there are not other beings, other civilizations.
   There are a group of consciousnesses who tend the earth, whose essence is entwined with the interior, what you would call the interior of the planet, with the veins of crystal, with the winds that circulate to protect the breathing—there are apertures on the planet that are breathing apertures—with all of the waters that flow below, with the fires, but it is not a civilization with tables and chairs. (laughter) No. No. They are truly entities who guard the earth and we have spoken before of the ring of guardians whose combined consciousness protect the earth. But there are those who live deeply, so to speak, whose awareness is enfolded in the earth, but they are not, they don’t have little bodies, like these bodies.

   Terry: Thank you very much.

   Micciah: It wouldn’t be too hospitable.
   Are there any other questions please?

   John: Yes, Micciah, I would like to ask about the difference between despair and surrender, and specifically about what it’s appropriate to feel when a person is confronting issues, life issues that they’ve confronted over a period of years and worked on consciously, but still confront the same issues.

   Micciah: Not to mention over a period of lifetimes. (laughter) Just like the people who are familiar, sometimes the issues are also familiar. “Oh, no, here it comes again. Haven’t we met before?” So, this is connected with many of the things we are talking about, John.
   To feel surrender, that is surrender into the miracle and the gift of your own incarnation, whatever that is, to know that, comes from your sense and experience of being a beloved child of spirit or your experience of being at one with the way, or however you would like to phrase it. To surrender, to say, “This is here to be done and I will do it. This issue is here to be addressed and I will do it. And I am most beloved,” is to feel the joy of which we spoke before with no necessity to justify one’s self. No easy matter, this.
   To feel despair one must feel first isolation and the loss of the protective indwelling love of spirit. When you lose that sense or never have it, then to face an issue over and over again with apparently no resolve or very little result has a grinding quality. The issue is then confronted only in the emotional body and with the thought body, without the awareness of the spiritual self, if we can isolate them for purposes of conversation. And it has a hard unyielding tearing quality, because it seems as if you work and work and then nothing happens. Sometimes it is this very sense of despair, when you run up against the limits of what you can do as a focus personality, as an individual ego entity, it is then that you seek something else higher, bigger, greater, deeper, smaller. Sometimes despair can be used to purpose.
   We will tell you something which we hope cheers you up. There aren’t very many issues, just a few basics, and they come clothed in different experiences just as you come clothed and equipped for a life in one kind of body or another kind of body. We could say, ultimately, there is only one issue and that is your union with spirit. That’s the only one there is. And all of the other issues, hundreds of them, thousands of them, the intricacies of psychological thought, which are fascinating and myriad, some accurate and some not so accurate, all of those issues are permutations of the only issue.
   So, it doesn’t say much for progress, does it? You are encouraged to be attached to results in the emotional realm just as you are encouraged to be attached to results in every other realm. And while there are very real transformations that occur, from our perspective it doesn’t matter too much whether you are doing this and this or this and this.
   However, we would like to say one thing about this. When we say there is truly one issue and the others are permutations, we wish you to understand that that does not entitle you to ignore the cruelty on the planet. Say, “Well, that person’s just working out their issue, and if they’re all the same, it doesn’t really matter, it’s not my problem.” Because it is your problem. And if there is only one of you, then all the starvation and all the pain and all the cruelty affects you and is part of you. Yet, you can not transform it alone. You can only be responsible for your... [indicates space Julie’s body ] for, as is said, the space of your consciousness.
   We have gotten somewhat far afield, but despair also comes when you observe the world from this metaphysical point of view. “Ah, I am responsible. Ah, there is only one of us. It is all me.” Do not have the idea that you individually as an ego self can feed all the hungry and heal all the sick, because that will cause deep despair, and when the man who was called Jesus, the Christ, said “I do miracles. You can do greater miracles than this.” You can probably give the exact quote. The meaning of that was about reaching beyond the despair and isolation of the individuated being into the truth of spirit whereby no matter what you confront, you are always dancing with spirit and you are always given in some way, in some way the wherewithal to manage it. Is that clear?

   John: Yes. And I will be anxious to get the transcript. (laughter)

   Micciah: You want to see it in writing.

   John: Yes.

   Micciah: We will go over it. The thrust of this answer, response—it’s not really an answer—is that despair comes from a sense of isolation with your deep, with your deeper purpose, from your deeper purpose. When an issue is confronted from the emotional level, the psychological level, the thinking level, and you lose or have never had conscious access to spiritual awareness of it, then it becomes grinding and painful. You are also attached, you are taught to be attached to emotional results. “I oughta get this issue handled.” So, you need the greater resource which is your true nature to dance effectively with the same issue. It doesn’t matter if it’s the same one. They’re all pretty much the same. And yet there is psychological growth. It’s a paradox. When you grow and change psychologically that really does happen and then you meet the same issue in its next outfit.
   So, it is different, but it is not different and we went on to speak about metaphysical thought and a notion that will cause you great despair, which is that you personally can feed everyone on this planet if you just put your mind to it. You personally are responsible for your own consciousness and a connection that you have within that sphere, and everyone together then makes the changes.


   Julie: That’s the end of this particular segment... of this particular adventure. And this channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellectual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it. So long.

   Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellec­tual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”