MICCIAH CHANNEL: JULIE WINTER
Produced by Jon Child
Transcript of Program 99, 1988
VIDEO NOT AVAILABLE
Some of Julie’s early work in channel in 1988 where Micciah discusses:
• Love in a one-to-one relationship: “Truly loving someone means to be as free with them as Spirit is with you.” Low self-esteem limits one’s tolerance for love. “The love you yearn for most, and fear most, is Spirit’s love,” which seems cataclysmic to the personality self.
• The purpose of art in human spirituality: “To rouse people ... to deliver them into this ecstatic stillness." All creatures, not only humans, "appreciate the artistry ... of the life force ...”
• Healing wounded self-esteem: With the help of others, and of Spirit (“Ask!”), it heals naturally. Don’t keep reopening the wound.
• Experiencing God in the moment: Stop NOT experiencing God. A guru is not necessary; meditation and praise with friends is enough.
Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends.
Julie: We do greet you, indeed. This is Micciah Channel, and I’m Julie Winter. Micciah is an energy entity who works with me while I’m in trance, and while I’m in the trance state I have access to a point of view that seems to come from a non-physical realm. This series of programs is drawn primarily from videotapes taken during my regular classes. We want to expand our circle, and include your energy and interest in our work.
What you are going to see is me, with my personality and intelligence, awareness, go into an altered state. While I’m in that altered state, I join with other energies, or another energy, and produce the personality of Micciah. And I have, in that state, an awareness that I don’t ordinarily have. And I’m going to respond to questions that my classes have asked me.
Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends.
Eve: Well, I have the first question ...
Eve: ... which is, Can you love too much in a one-to-one relationship?
Micciah: Can you love the other person too much, do you mean?
Micciah: We could answer you very simply and say No, but we don’t think that’s what you’re asking ...
Micciah: ... so ask a bit more precisely.
Eve : Hmm. Well -- does -- may the other person experience it as overwhelming?
Micciah: That is a very good question.
Is it possible for one being to experience the love of another being as overwhelming, or as threatening? This will take some working through.
This brings us also to the question of receiving, and what it means to allow yourself to trust in such a way that you can surrender into receiving; that you can yield enough to receive. You cannot receive when you are like that, or like that [gestures with closed fist].
Just a moment. We have several threads going at once here.
In one sense, the personality self is fearful of yielding to the love of Spirit, because when this happens there is a death at the personality level. There is a death in the sense that what the personality self yearned for and manifested, or was attached to, seems to ... lose its meaning. All that was luscious and desirable in the realm of the personality starts to turn into sawdust.
Now ... the personality is fearful of this, and will resist ... [sigh] the burning through of Spirit. It will even resist the potency and compassion of Spirit. Why do you think in the story, the myth, that surrounds the entity called Jesus the Christ, people were appalled by his magic? Because ... when a figure represents such a totality of love (and that figure is just one mythic example --there have been many, many such), the personality trembles [shouting] in fear of its life. When one person loves another person, and the love is very strong, the other person may be afraid of receiving that love.
Now why? Because it will mean that all of, ah, the molecular structure, so to speak, of the emotional body will --[claps] -- be in an accident with love. [Claps] They will --[claps] -- smack up against love and have to move, and change, and shift; and that is frightening.
However, this is very uncommon -- [Laughter] -- practically unheard-of. Generally speaking, when one person fears another person, and what they fear SEEMS to be the love, it is ... the difficulty rests in a confusion about what you mean by love.
If I say to you, ‘I love you,’ ( makes gesture of extended claws) even though I am saying the words, what you will feel on the emotional level is my wanting to consume you or invade you or own you; and a great deal of what passes for love has more to do with fear and need and possessiveness.
Truly loving someone means to be as free with them as Spirit is with you. That means the question of wanting to possess them or control them or hold on to them, or have them be a certain way or not be a certain way -- be with other people,not be with other people -- all of that ... [pause] ... does not exist. That does not come from love. Those are very important needs and concerns, and must be worked out in a relationship;but they are not love.
So mostly, or often, the person who is afraid is really experiencing the other person’s ... control issues or possessiveness or neediness, or whatever; it is not the love itself.
There is another condition we would like to mention. If one person has a very low sense of self-esteem -- if the sense of the self’s worth has been bruised badly -- then they will find love frightening. The face that reflects love will be hard for them to tolerate until ... it would have to come in gradual doses, until some of the psychological difficulties have mended. Does that make sense?
Carol: Micciah -- this question is about the purpose of art.What is the purpose of art in human spirituality?
Micciah: [Robustly] To rouse people. To wake them up [claps cheeks lightly and quickly]. To deliver them into this ecstatic stillness.
Mmmm: you understand, when we say stillness we don’t mean without motion. It is stillness in another sense -- yes? It is stillness that contains all motion, like silence that contains all sound.
And the purpose of art is not confined to human beings. You have the idea that you, as beings, are the artistic ones. You create it, you appreciate it, you write about it -- most importantly you sell it! Or buy it. [Laughter]
But -- the creatures appreciate their own world, and the artistry of it. All of the way you describe biological functioning in its sort of clinical aspect -- birds do this and this because they are attracted to the color of that, and so forth -- misses the point. All of nature appreciates the artistry. Perhaps does not appreciate it cognitively.... There is ... a vaastnesss ... of appreciation amongst the creatures, and the trees -- the stones --everything, one for the other. You fall out of appreciation, and have to refind it.
Art is a great tool for healing and awakening, for rousing Spirit. It is a potent reminder of divinity. It speaks to the innate appreciation of the cells for their own life.
[Shouting; long-drawn-out] Art has great powers to heal,because it evokes the person’s memories ... of the dream that they have dreamt away. Theater -- painting -- dancing ... music!
[Long pause] And we say to you again that all the creatures appreciate the artistry, the beauty, of the life force, in the forms that they perceive. You perceive certain sets of colors and certain sounds, and so forth; therefore that’s the way you think the world is. You think it isn’t really the way the creatures see it, it’s really the way you see it, and they see it in some diminished way. It is really all of those ways, and many, many more.
And as the personality self loses its grip -- so to speak --you become conscious of different ways in which the world is organized, because your perceptions flex. Those of you who have experimented with altered states, either using drugs, or through meditation, or these states have come upon you in a blessed moment ... everything in the world wiggles! Personality self doesn’t like that. [Laughing] Personality self paid for it the way it is --
-- and that’s the way they want it -- it wants it.
And that is because it is afraid. It -- it, you --these are models, you understand; it is a way of trying to get a hold of something that is -- [with a laugh] unwieldy.
So -- the purpose of art is to celebrate the life force:to praise; to rouse the divine energies that remind people of who they really are.
That is why so much feeling can be generated around artistic questions -- questions of style, and this or that; what is really art. It is because you know it presses on deeper energies.[Pause; deep breath]
Does that answer the question?
Carol: Yes; thank you very much.
Micciah: [Whispering] Yes.
Pamela: Micciah ... I was going to ask about how to open the heart on an everyday level, and really experience the consciousness of God in the moment. But I think underneath that question, having heard your introduction, is also how to heal wounded self-esteem, which seems to be, I think, sometimes, the obstacle to -- for us.
Micciah: [Whispering, then aloud] Yes ... yes, yes. Quite so.
[Loudly and deliberately] When one’s self-esteem is wounded --which means you mistake yourself to be less than a child of the divine -- you think you are your psychological self; you think you are your mistakes. You think you are a particular body.
Then ... you live with a diminished energy force. [Long pause, then loudly and long-drawn-out] And out of that wounding is created all the forms of cruelty -- all the forms of cruelty you can imagine. Cruelty toward yourself and toward others; the cruelty of greed.... Out of the self sustaining a kind of wound that scars the perception of the self and makes one less than a beloved child -- out of that comes all that you would call evil.
We could describe the wounding differently in different cultures if we looked at the psychological parameters of each culture, and so forth. Yet it is that wound; and it is healed through compassion and through love.
Pamela: But where does it come from, if you don’t feel it?
Micciah: From others who do. We don’t mean to be flip; we really mean it. And from nature, if you allow nature to comfort you.
From others who do. From the creatures, who are not caught in that dilemma.
And again: once you begin to ask ... [with increasing urgency] ... ask! Ask, and ask! It starts to heal, because its natural inclination is to heal. It is more correct to say [that] once the sense of self has been wounded in that way, you have to keep wounding it -- you have to keep using energy to wound it -- otherwise it will just heal! That is the nature of it.
And there have been times, and cultures, wherein the wounding, which takes place just in the nature of living, it’s -- in some way, to some extent -- the wounding would heal very readily; it would be a little scratch. But because of the group agreement of the culture, and the way they treated each other and their environment and the community, the scratch would bleed a bit and then heal, just the way a scratch on your physical body will bleed a bit and then it will heal.
But ... in the experiment of this time -- which is a very great time indeed -- it has become possible for the wounding to become so deep, and the people so entranced by the process of self-wounding, that it goes on over and over. Do you understand?
Micciah: It will just heal. It is its nature; it is the nature of the self to return to its innate union with Spirit.
You may ask some more, Pamela, if it is not clear.
Pamela: Well --
Micciah: We feel it’s not quite there yet.
Pamela: Ah, no -- um ... then -- then perhaps maybe you could -- you could talk about really how to experience God in the moment, if it’s --
Micciah: It is more like -- when you stop not experiencing God you will experience God [with a laugh] because it is already there! You think of it as an absence of something that you need to acquire or learn about. But we want you to know: it is already absolutely present.
So -- you start to heal the wounds through the practice of praising All That Is within you ... All That Is: praising Spirit, praising God, praising the Goddess; praising the love that is already within you. And you begin, through your meditation practice or however you would like to do it, to let that which interferes with the knowledge begin to fall away, the way something outworn -- you know, like a snakeskin; it is outworn and the snake wiggles out of it.
Now: in many spiritual teachings, one seeks the guru -- the teacher. And the guru is one who is already so fully in the grace, with the grace, of love -- the guru is already such a strong container, conduit, for that power -- that she or he [claps] can affect you... by their presence. But you can do it without a guru, in that sense -- a formal guru.
It is the same in the writings of the teacher Castaneda. He is, in his way, on his path, an adept. [Loudly; long-drawn-out]He has become so aligned with That -- the personality has thinned out to such an extent -- that it is practically invisible. Therefore he can transmit to his students a shift in what he would call the assemblage point that results in a falling away of the obstacles.
So there are many ways to approach it -- many, many different ways. It’s -- but ultimately it’s the same.
Pamela: How do you do it alone?
Micciah: With friends. With meditation -- when we say alone, we mean you don’t have to follow a teaching where there is a formal guru.
[Chatty, matter-of-fact] Spirit belongs to everyone. You are in the process of doing it. It isn’t mysterious; there isn’t a secret.
Julie: That’s the end of this particular segment... of this particular adventure. And this channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellectual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you.
Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it. So long.
Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellectual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”