Produced by Jon Child

Transcript of Program 102, 1988


Some of Julie’s early work in channel from 1988 where Micciah discusses:
“Everything ... is about relationship.” Separation is an illusion. Physical health is harmonious relationship of the body’s parts. Understanding of relationship’s deep subtlety increases power and the “thirst for service.” Physical phenomena are representations of consciousness and “can be changed by consciousness.”
Giving and receiving in interpersonal relationships: The difference between what one may ask of another “at the personality level” and what one may ask directly of Spirit, how the two can become confused, and how to discern them.

   Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends.

   Julie:  We do greet you, indeed.  This is Micciah Channel, and I’m Julie Winter.  Micciah is an energy entity who works with me while I’m in trance, and while I’m in the trance state I have access to a point of view that seems to come from a non-physical realm.  This series of programs is drawn primarily from videotapes taken during my regular classes.  We want to expand our circle, and include your energy and interest in our work.

   What you are going to see is me, with my personality and intelligence, awareness, go into an altered state.  While I’m in that altered state, I join with other energies, or another energy, and produce the personality of Micciah.  And I have, in that state, an awareness that I don’t ordinarily have.  And I’m going to respond to questions that my classes have asked me.


   Micciah: We greet you, dear friends. And we are so pleased to have our smallest visitor [indicates the baby, Elvin], as well as his mother.
   It is indeed so… that everything on your plane of action — everything in the physical realm (and in other realms as well) — is about relationship.
   Whenever you feel alone or isolated, as if there is no one and no thing; as if you are separate (in the sense of being cut off) from other people, or from the natural world, then you know you are in the power of illusion. Because — we tell you! — you are always in relationship.
   All of the cells of your body dance in harmony with each other, creating a total state of health, because of their relationship to each other. And it is virtually impossible, in the area of health, for instance, to isolate the study of the kidneys and separate it from the study of the function of the heart, or the spinal column, or the eyes, or the liver, and expect to know anything — because everything exists in relationship.
   And when there is an appearance in the physical body of a disturbance — let us say, in the kidneys — it may be that the symptom in the kidneys is a reflection of other disturbances; it is not the primary seat of imbalance at all. But the kidney is, as you would say in current psychological terms, “holding the space” of the imbalance; it is the focal point for the imbalance. But it is not the point of origin.
   And in relationships between people, what appears as a symptom of distress or discord is very often simply the playground for the discord to be expressed. It is not the seat of the disturbance.
   And as you increase your experience of the layers of relationship, exquisite and complex and sure, you increase the power that you have.
   We are going to stop here for a moment. This is extremely important.
   As you increase your vision and your deep knowledge of relationship — relationship at every level — you increase your power, because you understand more and more that you have primary access to a relationship with the Creator (whether you think of it as the Goddess, or All That Is, or Buddha, or Christ) the more you encompass, within the living tissue of your being, your dynamic knowledge of yourself in union with the Creator, the more you are empowered — not in worldly power. The more life force you carry with you. The greater, then, is your thirst to be of service: to do the work of the Goddess, to do the work of Spirit, to have it be in your fingertips and in your speaking.


Julie: Okay, stop for a moment and pay attention to what your response is to the information that’s just been channeled. Does it seem to be comfortable, right and appropriate for you? Would you like to think about it further? What does your body feel like right now? What is your breath like right now? And now we’re going to go back and do some more channeling.


   Micciah: Let us go on to the questions.
   No — one more thing!
   Everything you see before you — all of the events and circumstances, from the circumstance of your physical body (or, more accurately, the event of your physical body. The physical body is not a solid object that begins when you are born, grows, and then deteriorates until you die. Your physical body, like all relationships, is a series of events. Your kidneys and your spinal column and your brain are events in relationship with each other) [to] what you call the events of the outer world, are representations of consciousness, emerging in what you perceive as solid form or structured circumstance.
   And since they arise out of consciousness, and out of the relationship between consciousness and the creation of form, they can be changed by consciousness. When you — and you and you, and you — (he already is) [indicates the baby], and you and you and you… are rivers through which Spirit travels unimpeded, then everything in the field of relationship that you make is transformed.
   And there is no final product (so that you don’t get into the thinking mind of “Oh my goodness, I’m so far behind! How will I catch up?”)
   There is only more and more and greater and greater capacity to travel in relationship to the divine.
   Now: [claps] what are the questions?
   Student: Micciah, we had a question about relationships, in terms of — we’ve been working in class on giving and receiving, and how we give and how we receive; and I’ve had trouble figuring out what to expect from different relationships — ah, what can I expect to receive and give; what’s appropriate to professional colleagues, what’s appropriate to friends, what’s appropriate to primary relationships, what about sexual relationships; it — I mean, I feel like I don’t know the difference between them.
   Micciah: Very good question. What is appropriate to give and receive in each kind of relationship? [Exhales quickly] This brings up issues on many, many levels.
   First of all is your relationship to Spirit.
   And as we have said before, you may ask anything of Spirit. Not to hurt another person, obviously; but you may ask anything you truly need for your growth, for your well-being. Or, if another has requested that you ask, you may ask for them. Spirit will never be tired. It is totally abundant; it will never run out. So you may ask… anything… of Spirit.
   In interpersonal relationships, you often neglect your relationship with All That Is, which is truly infinitely abundant, and want another person to act toward you as if they were personally — at the personality level — infinitely abundant, which they are not. Or you expect of yourself that you will be able to treat other people as if YOU — again, in the personality sense — were infinitely abundant.
   So: we come to the question of psychological boundaries — a very fashionable topic in psychological circles.
   The sense of boundaries — the sense of what is appropriate socially, or what is appropriate in intimate sexual relationships, or intimate friendships, or relationships between professionals — that sense comes out of a group agreement. It is different in different cultures, yes? If you were living in the… ah… Australian, the old culture — what is incorrectly called the aboriginal culture — your agreements about boundaries would be very different.
   But here you are. And the way you have created agreements about boundaries in personal relationships is not cosmic law. It is a group agreement having to do with social conventions.
   And then, within that structure — within the broader structure — it changes very much, depending on the smaller social structure. So — it might be that you were very close, and on intimate friendship terms with a colleague; then what you could ask would be different than someone whom you met in a purely professional sense.


   Julie: Okay. Again, I’ve just done a chunk of channeling. Stop for a moment and pay attention to what your internal response is to what you have just seen and heard. What do you feel like with this information? How do you see it? How does the hearing of it strike you personally? Notice your breathing. Notice the way your body feels. Okay. Now we’re going to go back to the rest of the program.


   Micciah: In each relationship, it is wise to consciously assess what you are asking of that person, so you can separate the breakthrough of unconscious needs: I need you to be — to love me the way my mother loved me, or the way my mother never loved me. But you are my employer. So if I become conscious that I am desiring that of you (because you are the authority figure — you are the Great Mother in my professional life), then I will know, right away, I have an inappropriate wish that I can work out in therapy or satisfy with someone with whom I have a more deeply intimate relationship; and so forth.
   So the first step to take is: what do you need from the various people in your life? Not what you think you should need. What are you aware of projecting into each relationship as a need?
   Often, particularly in intimate relationships, in partnerships, in sexual relationships, there is all the love and all the need left over in the psychological realm from unfulfilled components of the parental relationship, plus all the love and all the yearning and all the need that belongs in your relationship directly to Spirit [breathes in quickly and sharply] — and you are told in your culture not only that it is all right but that it is desirable to want that from a lover or from a mate. We wish you good luck —
   — good luck. Won’t happen.
   You can see the eyes of Spirit reflecting back at you through all your relationships, including your relationship with the natural world. But that is different from expecting that your mate will — [gasp] —sssave you. It is like — [sharp gasp] — the drowning child — [gasp] — saying to her lover, or his lover, “[long gasp] — Saaave me!” And… this is, for sure, a sabotage of the relationship.
   So — it will support all of your relationships if you… sit down (you can do it by writing it down) and enumerate: “What am I really expecting of this other person in my life?” And then you can set out what seem appropriate expectations.
   it may not be that you are asking too much but that you are asking too little; that you don’t have trust that — that — another human being can give to you with great love, and passion, and compassion. Not that you are asking too much, but that you are asking too little. Or, out of a fear of asking too much, you hold yourself in and don’t allow the other person the pleasure of giving to you.
   In order to receive, you must allow yourself to surrender, to be vulnerable, to yield; and if you are afraid — afraid of taking in, afraid of yielding — then you will hold yourself psychologically rigid. Probably physically, too: “You can‘t give to me! I won’t let you give to me! I am afraid to trust.” Then you will always feel as if you are starving.
   You can ask of Spirit… (when we say that, we mean to include you as a representative of Spirit — all of you) … and then define what you wish in each relationship.
   Is that clear?
   Students: Yes. It’s very useful.
   Micciah: And the personality self… likes to stay in what it imagines to be control. And for the personality self, control is very much connected with the sense of what is familiar. Even though your conscious mind may say, "Oh — I want to rid myself of this or that pattern. Why would I want to keep it? It is a painful pattern." The personality self is attracted to what is familiar. So in order to change, and to grow, you need to allow yourself to ride the waves of the unfamiliar.
   Let us have the next question.
   We will say goodbye, then.
   We are so appreciative. The energies that pass through this one, and all of you, and all of you who watch — those for whom this particular way of viewing the universe is useful — we appreciate the conversation. You give of your love as we give of ours.
   We bless you… and we bid you a most joyful day.


   Julie: That’s the end of this particular segment... of this particular adventure. And this channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellectual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you.
   Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it. So long.

   Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellec­tual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”