Produced by Jon Child

Transcript of Program 103, 1988  [CC]

Some of Julie’s early work in channel in 1988 where Micciah discusses:
Julie Winter’s meeting with the Fullers: The power of the Fullers and others who are “conduits for the love of Spirit” to transform the energy of certain people in their presence. How those affected must continuously recreate the experience. “‘This one,’ reorganized the bundles of filaments of her being, and she is now experiencing the effects.” View Section
Growing through love and joy; the nature of suffering: Suffering comes from attachment to worldly goods and from the sense of separation from Spirit. Detachment from circumstance as cause of joy and/or sorrow. Claiming love of Spirit as “a primary relationship.” View Section

   Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends.

   Julie: We do greet you, indeed. This is Micciah Channel, and I’m Julie Winter. Micciah is an energy entity who works with me while I’m in trance, and while I’m in the trance state I have access to a point of view that seems to come from a non-physical realm. This series of programs is drawn primarily from videotapes taken during my regular classes. We want to expand our circle and include your energy and interest in our work.
   I want to thank all of you who have been watching and who have written to me. And what you are going to see is me, with my personality and intelligence, awareness, go into an altered state. And while I’m in that altered state, I join with other energies, or another energy, and produce the personality of Micciah. I have, in that state, an awareness that I don’t ordinarily have. And I’m going to respond to questions that my classes have asked me.


   Micciah: We greet you dear friends.

   Donna: Micciah, Julie Winter went down to Florida and had a meeting with a husband and wife, the Fullers, who are healers; and I was interested in knowing how her and your healing energy interacted with and was changed by the meeting with the Fullers.

   Micciah: Yes. It was changed. Everything is relationship.
   Amongst people, there are those in each tribe who have an expanded capacity to carry those energies that are (how to say this) more purely Spirit, or of a higher vibratory rate. “More purely Spirit” sounds like a value judgment. We don’t mean it that way.
   There are entities who are conduits ... for a quality ... of love ... that goes beyond personal love, that is the love of Spirit, of the divine. It means that the clinging aspects of the personality self, the qualities of personality that are afraid, or are sticky, have been melted; have been run through by the solvent of Spirit.
   And those people are like, (is it a transformer or a transducer?) When you put one set of energies with another set of energies, the set that is so clear, and vibrating at a higher speed (this is a metaphor; it’s not exact) can affect the other set, or all the other sets.
   This is well known in spiritual teaching. It is why thousands and thousands of people, in India, will come to be with the guru. It is described by Castaneda in the writings of Don Juan. This energy is carried by the Fullers, whom this one visited, and by Phyllis and by Betty, their friends, and by many, many people, whom you don’t know and have never heard of and are hanging out incognito.
   And when you are open to their frequency (because each of these beings has a slightly different frequency that is colored by the personal organization), so you will be more “susceptible” to some people than to other people.
   When you are around them and you are ready, at some level [claps] your energy will be affected by their energy. And your... the organization of the bundles of filaments that constitute being-nesss at an energetic level, the organization of these bundles [claps] changes. [Claps] Like that.
   Now: sometimes it is changed permanently. If the person who is... who is transformed through that relationship continues to practice with Spirit, the change continues to recreate itself. It is not really that it is changed permanently; the change is created, and recreated, and recreated, and recreated.
   Sometimes there is a momentary shift, which is what happens in so-called miracle healings. There is a momentary shift of the alignment of these bundles of energy, of the bundles of filaments; and in that shift, the core beliefs (that you have had about physical healing, for instance, or emotional healing) Those beliefs... whewww! [blows sharply; almost a whistle] are opened up [claps] through that relationship. And in that moment, a transformation drops through into the physical realm and is palpable [emphatically] at a concrete level.
   And then you say: “Ahhh, a miracle!”
   Well: it is all a miracle.
   Then, if there is continuous recreation of transformation on the part of the entity, that transformed entity begins to act in the environment in a different way, and to experience herself or himself in their personal life in a different way. And what happens at that moment, when those bundles rearrange (if they do; they don’t with everyone. In other words, some people can be in the presence of such a one and be affected very little.) But, if those energies rearrange, the personality self, the container of the personality self, staaarts to crack.
   So these experiences sometimes have an exhilarating yet a disorienting quality. The movement on the part of the personality self is to go right back to whatever is, what? Familiar.
   And the greater aspects of the self must then support the personality to continue to allow the recreation of this transformed state. And it must be done with compassion.
   Such states of transformation are often supported through a community, where other people know what is going on and will be amenable to having your personality change as well as their own, and where the vitality of the transforming energies continue to support each other. Again relationship.
   So, in that workshop, in Florida, this one reorganized the bundles of filaments of her being, and she is now experiencing the effects; has been. And she can pass on the effects to others. And it was true of all of the people from New York who went to that workshop, and they all went with the intention to have that happen. Therefore they welcomed it. And, if their luck holds, they will become as peaceful with life as [indicating the cat] Mr. Mordecai.
   You see, this transforming and splitting apart of the personality must have with it an increased willingness to trust. Just as you need to trust someone to let them give to you, so in an even greater sense you must trust life to let these forces change you so.
   The Spirit is always completely present, everywhere.
   You play hide-and-seek with your awareness of it. And, as we have said before, just as Elvin will go through a stage when if you put your hands up and disappear, and then reappear, he thinks you are really gone, so you play hide-and-seek with Spirit.
   And you can go through what you perceive as lifetimes and lifetimes of doing this. And, at any moment in the great eternal Now, you can invite that change.
   We wish to say: you don’t need to have another person. You don’t need to have the guru, or Bro Fuller, or Margaret, or Phyllis, or anyone. You have a direct relationship to Spirit: that is your heritage and your right. It sometimes catalyzes things, but it is not necessary. It is not a requirement, from our point of view. We know there are spiritual teachings that say, Yes, you must have the guru in order to make that leap; but we don’t think so.
   Please go on, then.

   Diane: Micciah, in a lot of ways you have answered my question, but I’d like to put it out anyway. My question was on growing through love and joy. Now, being part of our society in this stage, there seems to be a philosophy or belief that a lot of our suffering or pain or whatever that we go through is that catalyst to change or grow. I’m in the midst of changing that belief, and I am opening myself and working on myself to change through love and joy, but I seem to not have many examples to mould myself after, except for the fact that one of the ones that you explained just recently kind of answered my question as far as the spiritual way of growing

   Micciah: [Whispering] Yes.

   Diane: as a loving, joyful way. I was wondering if you could help me with that.

   Micciah: Yes. First of all, it is... there is no force that presses suffering on you because it’s good for you. We do not believe that.
   Now, this leads us directly into what, then, is the nature of suffering?
   First of all, in terms of the organization of the personality, you identify suffering with circumstances; that a circumstance causes suffering.
   In one way this is true. You know God appears to the hungry as food. In some physical circumstances, certainly there is the initial appearance that the circumstance causes suffering. The personality self, even beyond this initial concrete identification, relates suffering to a situation. Yet the more you allow the love of All That Is, which is your heritage, to permeate your being, to flow in you and through you and be with you. The more you claim that love as a primary relationship, the more detached (detached in a compassionate sense, not in a cold sense) you become from circumstances themselves as initiators of suffering.
   So, the more deeply you are embedded in your relationship to the cosmos, the less you will identify any particular condition either as the cause for suffering or cause for well-being.
   Now, this leaves you in a very funny spot, and not a spot, again, where the personality self wishes to travel. Because, then, all of those things that you thought were going to make you feel better, all of those possessions, lovers, accomplishments; well, it turns out that they may be wonderful, but they are not the cause; they are not the permanent cause of your well-being. Nor is your apparent suffering the permanent cause of your suffering. Yet you are still charged with alleviating suffering where you see it in the world.
   So, what we are saying is that you can... you ultimately grow through embracing, and again embracing and embracing, the truth or love of All That Is. And then you can be in almost any circumstance, and know that your true suffering comes from separation from Spirit.
   When you are separated from the One, within yourself you will suffer. That is the suffering. That is the suffering.
   And sometimes the pathway to Spirit, to an expanded union with the One, shows up in a package that the personality self says, “Oh, look at this! This looks like suffering to me!”
   [Much laughter]
   And sometimes the pathway to the union shows up in the form of a surfeit of too much abundance in the physical world, accompanied by an emotional lack. Not a concrete lack, in the sense of money or housing or food, but emotional pain. And that too is suffering. It is... it is a greater paradox because you are culturally so deeply entranced by the notion that worldly goods and success should alleviate suffering; but they don’t do anything of the kind.
   They are wonderful. It is wonderful to create success in the name of Spirit, to share it, to be generous with it, and to be unattached to it. If you are attached to it, you will suffer.
   And the personality self, the dual self, always knows attachment. You have to move the... the... the assemblage point, or the locus, of your being; the center, the core. If you think it rests in your personality, then the rising and falling of circumstances will create suffering.
   When you move your sense of yourself out of your personality self, you can ride with circumstances. And then you know that every circumstance carries the possibility of spiritual awakening within it. No special circumstance... every circumstance.
   And you can consciously grow through joy by praising and celebrating the joy of life itself.
   And in your union with Spirit, you will begin to thirst for service. You will begin to experience tremendous yearning to let all of this pour through you and be given out, at no cost to the psychological self!
   Great are the changes coming. Great are the changes being worked in this realm. It is a time of immense fertility. And the more you can see the face of Spirit hidden in everything, the more at peace you will be with all of the changes.
   In order to be a warrior, you have a vulnerable heart, and as little attachment as possible. Because only then, only when you use yourself as the laboratory for growth, you are it! And when you know where truthful power lies, where it exists, only then can you communicate that to another person, and contribute that to the world.
   You are the laboratory. You are the divine experiment.


   Julie: That’s the end of this particular segment... of this particular adventure. And this channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellectual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you.

   Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellec­tual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”