Produced by Jon Child

Transcript of Program 107, 1988


Some of Julie’s early work in channel from 1986 where Micciah discusses Chaos:
Limiting and rejecting the life force results in chaos of body and mind.
Dealing with the emotional and physical chaos of serious illness. Can be a bursting forth of creative impulses and possibilities not previously allowed by the self. Death of the body is not a failure. Don’t reject and isolate ill people. You must explore the communication of the illness, not only cure the symptoms alone.
Why are there so many seriously ill young people now? Some are here to teach about dying, about being safe in the chaos of the body.
The increase in the numbers of homeless people, particularly those who are mentally ill. These are “banished voices...you don’t have any cultural place for crazy wisdom.” We banish our own craziness through them. We have instead culturally-accepted craziness, like “bombs for peace.”

   Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends.

   Julie: We do greet you, indeed. This is Micciah Channel, and I’m Julie Winter. Micciah is an energy entity who works with me while I’m in trance, and while I’m in the trance state I have access to a point of view that seems to come from a non-physical realm. This series of programs is drawn primarily from videotapes taken during my regular classes. We want to expand our circle and include your energy and interest in our work.
   I want to thank all of you who have been watching and who have written to me. And what you are going to see is me, with my personality and intelligence, awareness, go into an altered state. And while I’m in that altered state, I join with other energies, or another energy, and produce the personality of Micciah. I have, in that state, an awareness that I don’t ordinarily have. And I’m going to respond to questions that my classes have asked me.


Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends. The room is not only for your learning and sharing. There are also class members from other realms who come to be with you. Visitors. In the question of chaos, which is what you wish to deal with, truly chaos results when you limit the life principle through the forcing current of the will and through cruel self-judgments. When you become toward yourself tyrannical, crushing, when you are afraid to ride your impulses, then much of the energies atrophy. Let us say there is a kind of self-imposed, um, degradation, destruction that results in life-threatening wildness. We will say this again. When the impulses toward life, in its enormous variety and expressiveness, when the impulses are closed off because they are deemed untrustworthy, your own life impulses, then a chaos that is life-threatening results. The wildness of cancer is a distortion — do not read this to mean blame — it is a distortion of the creative impulses that you fear. When the creativity has been harnessed to the mechanical, distortions abound.
   We will give you an example. When you do not conceive of the world and all the people on it, everything, everyone, as one, then it becomes possible, in that splitting off, to control, let us say, the insects, the bad guys. No one likes insects, wriggly, crawly. Squish! To control them with poisons, without conceiving first that if it is one body, you can’t put poison in your ear without it affecting the rest of you. You can’t put poison on the bugs without it affecting everything, sooner or later.
   So, there has been great ingenuity in your culture, and much of it — not all of it — much of it has been wedded to the mechanical. And that has created a kind of chaos that is life-threatening.


Julie: Okay, stop for a moment and pay attention to what your response is to the information that’s just been channeled. Does it seem to be comfortable, right and appropriate for you? Would you like to think about it further? What does your body feel like right now? What is your breath like right now? And now we’re going to go back and do some more channeling.


   Karen: The first question has to do with people who are very seriously ill, how they can deal with the apparent chaos they experience in their life and be comfortable with it, both on the physical level and on emotional levels.

Micciah: First of all, it sometimes is true that when there is a grave illness, one is confronted with the dam bursting. This is not universally true. This is sometimes true. We cannot answer the question universally, because people will be different from each other.
   So we will describe a few possibilities. When there has been a certain form to the life, certain sets of feelings and of possibilities that have been acceptable to the personality self, when you thrust in a seeming catastrophe, whether it is a physical catastrophe or the catastrophe of loss, of a loved one, or whatever, when you push into the organism some explosive material like an illness, then the structure that has been held together bursts. And many of what are essentially creative impulses pour out in all forms. What has been rejected, what has been banished from the self, is released through the tear in the accustomed psychic fabric. So it is a great opportunity.
   In that torrent, in that wildness, the individual can confront what was previously apparently, apparently, unreachable, including love, and compassion, and connection. That is sometimes the very reason that a disease is courted, or created. Because the soul maker, the great self, and the personality self wish to allow the personality to come into much more direct contact with the life force.
   Sometimes the body does not survive the confrontation. You must understand losing your body is not a failure. It is not a mistake, it is not a failure. Sometimes more life is lived in the final few months of a life, or life is lived more fully, than had been previously acceptable.
   It is very important not to ghettoize people who are ill. You put them aside. They are separate and different and “other.” This isolation continues to create, to exacerbate the hatred and the fear that you have of illness. Illness in the physical body is a communication. It is not a bad mark against your name.
   So, if in the bursting forth of many feelings and of many impulses, potentially of many insights, you need assistants who can ride with people on the impulses. Making nice really does not serve. That is the same closing down gesture that has created a structure that needs to tear open. So...
   Do you want to ask further, Karen?

Karen: Yes. How...

Micciah: It is the person who is working with the ill or being with them that also has to be open to this torrent. So it is work on the self if you are in that position. Go ahead.

Karen: That’s it.

Micciah: That’s it. Illness is a ripe opportunity. You, as a group, as a group mind, you are very frightened of being ill. It is not the chaos so much. You are, again at the level of group mind, a culture that truly deplores weakness, truly wishes to crush weakness. So something as palpable as physical debility, your cultural impulse is to stop it. Your drugs all work with symptoms, to stop the symptoms. We are not against stopping a painful symptom, but you need then to dig under, to say, “Well, what kind of communication is this?”
   Let us be clear. The others who are present wish to add something about this. The body by itself, if you could isolate the body by itself, does not create an illness. It is the impact and the interaction of the feelings and the mind and the soul pattern that show up, that appear in the physical form as what you designate illness. It is a result. Illness is a result. You can look forever at the mechanical level to cure illness, and you will go on creating other illnesses, because they don’t come from the mechanical level — not that the body is mechanical. Mind creates. Mind with a capital M. And Mind heals.


Julie: Okay. Again, I’ve just done a chunk of channeling. Stop for a moment and pay attention to what your internal response is to what you have just seen and heard. What do you feel like with this information? How do you see it? How does the hearing of it strike you personally? Notice your breathing. Notice the way your body feels. Okay. Now we’re going to go back to the rest of the program.


Micciah: Please go on.

Margaret: Getting back to the personal chaos in people’s lives, it seems there are a lot of young people who have really serious illnesses, and I was wondering if you could comment on why that’s happening.

Micciah: It is part of the whole. Some of them have come to teach about dying, and for the first time in this culture there are groups such as Dr. Jampolsky’s group - perhaps he is a relative, Yasha, it is the same name - where the children speak, or the young people speak, about their experience of being safe in that chaos of the body. And some of them have been written about in books and been on the television. So some of them are consciously engaged, chose to be engaged in teaching that it is safe to die, that it is not a mistake, that it is not an error, that it is not a failure.
   Some of it is part of the speeding up. Although young people have always died, in war, in childbirth, so in some ways this is not so unusual. What is unusual are the ones who are speaking as a group to their parents and to their doctors, saying, “We are safe even in the midst of this chaos. There is nothing to be pitied.”
   There is life everywhere, you know, not just here. You all, you go from life to life, from existence to existence.
   Please go on.

Priscilla: I think you probably already touched on this partially. We seem to have an awful lot of people on the streets these days who seem to be in mental chaos, schizophrenics, and otherwise...

Micciah: A lot of schizophrenics in government too. They’re better dressed. [laughter] We really are not kidding. The people on the streets in the cities are the banished voices. And just as you banish people who are physically ill, though that is much more acceptable, culturally, you don’t have any cultural place for the wise madman or the crazy teacher, for crazy wisdom. Some of the people on the streets have indeed really volunteered themselves to represent the banished voices. And if you listen to what some of them say, it is not so crazy.
   Others are caught in alternate realities that don’t match with your present reality, and you don’t have any way of having a dialogue with them because you are mostly absolutely convinced that this is the only way, this is the only reality. But they do represent the ghettoization, the banishing of your own craziness, quote. Your own chaos. Whereas, they are the bottom of the ladder.
   At the top of your hierarchical structure are the same people who are making seemingly insane choices which the crazy people, given the chance, would probably not make.
   So what is crazy? It is an agreement. Weapons to keep the peace is crazy. That is real crazy. “Crazy” meaning out of contact. Bombs for peace. Lots of people would think this is crazy. Perhaps it is. No, it would be considered harmless lunacy, because “this one” is capable of shifting back into the agreed-upon reality. Shifting your frame, your various frames, is where your impulses will lead you. And that is enormously satisfying and creative. So...
   We will leave you now. We don’t wish to tire Julie. There is a lot of energy, a lot of vitality here, with you. And your circles are felt everywhere. We share with you much love and offer you many thanks for your thoughts and your love and your time. And we bid you a very good evening.


   Julie: That’s the end of this particular segment... of this particular adventure. And this channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellectual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you.
   Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.

   Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellec­tual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”