MICCIAH CHANNEL: JULIE WINTER
Produced by Jon Child

Transcript of Program 110, 1989

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Some of Julie’s early work in channel from 1988 where Micciah discusses:
Death romanticized, and as it really is:  Nothing to fear. Death is not the (only) way to experience oneness.  “That’s the purpose: to do it here....  People who meditate ... know that.”
Has Micciah experienced physical death?  “It was many people.” Every “one” is a multitudinous interrelationship of lives in many realms.  “There wasn’t one death.”  Some people, and some geographical locations, are more “in this reality” than others.
The experience of union with other aspects of self.


   Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends.

   Julie:  We do greet you, indeed.  This is Micciah Channel, and I’m Julie Winter.  Micciah is an energy entity who works with me while I’m in trance, and while I’m in the trance state I have access to a point of view that seems to come from a non-physical realm.  This series of programs is drawn primarily from videotapes taken during my regular classes.  We want to expand our circle, and include your energy and interest in our work.

   What you are going to see is me, with my personality and intelligence, awareness, go into an altered state.  While I’m in that altered state, I join with other energies, or another energy, and produce the personality of Micciah.  And I have, in that state, an awareness that I don’t ordinarily have.  And I’m going to respond to questions that my classes have asked me.

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   Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends.
   We will go on to the questions.

   Sheldon: Okay, well — I guess I want you to tell us a story, Micciah —

   Micciah: We are always telling you stories.

   [Laughter]

   Sheldon: Oh, good. Life and death — I mean; you’ve talked about the return to the spark, the spark of life; and — what I worry about is that, in a romantic way, death is being conveyed on some level as the return to the spark, and I —

   Micciah: Ah!

   Sheldon: and I worry about that —

   Micciah: Yes!

   Sheldon: — romanticized vision of — Death.

   Micciah; Yes.

   Sheldon: And What I’m curious about is — What does happen to the personality self? We’ve heard so much about reincarnation, and crossing over, as if whoever we are just crosses over into another realm and we can continue to be who we are but in a different world; and I don’t think that that’s true.

   Micciah: That you don’t have to wash your socks.

   Sheldon: Right — or take these — this particular pair with me. But what I’m — what I would like to know is; what is it that we lose when we die? And if you yourself had the experience of physical death from this realm, and if so, what was that like?

   Micciah: We will begin with the first question — the first — Part A.

[Laughter]

   Sheldon: Okay.

   Micciah: It has been said in many teachings, in many different ways, that this is not the place. It is some other place — yes? Some other place has been called  Heaven? Or — The Hereafter? (It should be called The Thereafter.) The Land of the Ancestors? The Happy Shades?
   It is currently somewhat fashionable to imagine that when you leave your body you will be filled with all that love — not just the spark of divinity, but the whole bonfire — that you have separated yourself from in this life. We wish to…  convey a different set of possibilities.
   First of all: there is nothing to fear in death. We will assure you of very few things, but we will assure you of that. If you will accept the assurance.
   But, second: one of the purposes for plunging into… the dance, the illusion, the apparent solidity of this realm — the earth, life as you know it — is to be able to pass through the illusion of duality. Pass through it — penetrate the veil of that illusion. To pass through the illusion of separateness from the Source, and to live in THIS REALM amidst the ocean and the bonfire of union with Spirit.
   And when you speak of someone who is enlightened (an Enlightened  Mistress) — whether it is in the Native American tradition, or a great shaman, a great teacher; the Hindu tradition, the Christian tradition, the Jewish tradition — you are speaking of someone who, amidst the illusions, KNOWS — knows! — the Oneness. That’s the purpose: to do it here. To do it here. To say: “I’m not put off… by all of this.”
   And we will say particularly: You have… left yourselves bereft. You have torn away so many of the natural supports. You don’t gather the wisdom from the stones, and from the rain, and from the cats. And from the butterflies, and from the compost pile. You have deprived yourself of many of the lenses which will take you through into the Oneness.
   So: you have also set up a belief that when you leave here it gets better.
   [Laughter]
   The veil will drop away. You will be embraced by the Christ, or you will be in Nirvana, or whatever.
   Now: it is true that when the physical body concludes itself as a discrete entity, you will, in one way or another — now, you are outside of time, remember: you don’t have any language for that — but you will, in one way or another, not have the restrictions, not have the illusion — the particular set of illusions — of the physical world.
   So — in stories, you know of people who have died clinically and returned to life. (And again: you like those stories because they are clinical and the person’s heart has stopped on the machine. So you know they were dead, for sure — as if you could not know [with a laugh] any other way.) They come back, and say — oftentimes — “I saw an amazing light. I was embraced by love I had never known.” And they associate that with the “next” realm. (we will put “next” in quotes.) Yes? But they could have had that love right in their toes!. Right in this very sloppy and difficult world.
   What really happened (although the association is with death of the body) is that the defenses dropped away. The thinking mind was stilled, because in that moment of physical death the brain, and the chemicals of the brain and the firing of the neurons, and so forth, stops.
   There are many ways of allowing that state — through meditation. People who meditate — Buddhist teachers who meditate — anyone who meditates for a period of time, with devotion, knows that. Shamans, teachers, story-tellers, mothers know that.
   So the association is: “When I get out of here, am I going to have a good time!” If you happen to believe that. There are certain religions that, ah — it’s dicey.
   [Laughter]
   You may have a very bad time. So… what? If you can let yourself be in that fire — you can do it right here! It does not require that you depart from the physical. Does that make sense?

   Sheldon: Yes.

   Micciah: You see, the association is with leaving because the defenses drop, and the thinking mind finally… is quiet. And that, in this — we are sorry to harp on this culture, but that is your chief association with it, with that kind of silence.

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   Julie: This is a break for a moment. You’ve been watching Micciah Channel and I’d like you to go over the information, or maybe don’t go over the information. Stretch. Breathe. Get a sense of yourself in the slice of reality that you are in. Then we’re going to go back and look at some more Micciah Channel.

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   Micciah: What was the next part?

   Sheldon: Whether you yourself had a —

   Micciah: Ah! well, we are not really a “we.” Or an “I”. We are… we are, ah… an intelligence; a heartfulness; a liveliness… of another dimension. However, there are aspects… of… the constellation… that is the consciousness a portion of which this one can perceive, and transmit. There is an aspect of that totality that has, indeed, had its feet in the physical realm.
   [Pause — searching for words]
   This is very complicated [laughing].
   And what was the death like?

   Sheldon: What was the personal experience of that death; and what —

   Micciah: It was many people. It was, ah — you see — you think of yourself as — you know — yourself. But there is nothing, and — there is no such thing as “Oneself” who is only Claudia, or who is only Howard. You have — just as you are! You have — mmm — streams, skeins, that attach you to other realms. And in those realms your various personalities exist and coexist and communicate with you; and within this realm you have hundreds of existences in seemingly different time-frames. So — we can’t answer that question [laughing].
   There wasn’t one death; it was different for all the — um — individuated entities, depending on their beliefs and their life experience.
   From our perspective, it is not always easy to tell who’s alive and who’s dead.
   [Laughter]
   When we observe the physical world, we obviously have to use your language, so it’s distorted already, because your language describes what you experience. But — we will try.
   When we observe the physical realm, we see… you, Sheldon; and we also perceive many probable Sheldons around you. And we perceive the activity of your dreams, your dream-life. And we perceive… the galaxies of other personalities connected to the essence that has produced Sheldon in the first place. That’s quite a lot. So then — within that enormous, moving configuration, we have to figure out which one is the real Sheldon.
   [Laughter]
   So: from our perspective, they are all alive. And it has to be determined — “Oh yes! That one is physical in the earthly illusion of concrete time… that’s the one who wants to speak to us.”
   This is a very clumsy analogy, but it’s closer to the truth than thinking Sheldon is wearing these blue socks and this is the only one there is. Well, this is the only — hmmm — solid, physical one there is….
   That’s not quite true either. But close. Almost.
   So — when your physical body comes to the end of its dream, the probable — the probabilities shift.
   Do you want to ask further?

   Sheldon: Just — one more tiny aspect of it. The concrete one wants to know —
   [Laughter]
   — when this shift of probabilities — does that mean that because the solid one is eliminated the others take more foreground, or does the solid one experience more clearly the other ones?

   Micciah: The — the solid one experiences more clearly the other ones. [Louder] And there are some people — as we believe we have mentioned before, there are some people who are more in this reality than other people. So you, Margery, have a self you perceive, and everyone else perceives, as Margery; yet you are one who — who functions very efficiently in many realms at once. And, ah — as it happens, your focus personality knows that. So — you are here and you are also several elsewheres, at once.
   Some people are mostly, in a particular incarnation, here. That is to say, the focus personality is very — hardly aware at all of the other aspects of its being. Do you understand? Sort of?
   And some geographical places on your seemingly solid earth are more solid than other places. Some of them are very wispy indeed. Some, enormously dense.
   So shall we continue? Are you with us?

   Students: Yes.

   Sandy: As a continuity of the question, ah — there is the present reality that we are all sitting in — the denseness of ourselves —

   Micciah: Yes —

   Sandy: Often it is spoken that there is a simultaneous reality that takes place — past, future, present —

   Micciah: Yes; everything at once.

   Sandy: Everything at once. In the physical realities that we are in, ah — if it is all taking place at once, how do they affect each other (or do they?) —

   Micciah: Yes. They do.

   Sandy: — and, ah — is there ever a time when we feel a cohesion?

   Micciah: Yes. That is what we were speaking about before. No matter how you get there, in the moments when you are aware of union with that which is beyond… the illusion of separateness…

   Sandy: Is there ever a time when we, as entities, have a knowledge of what it is that that continuity is for the —

   Micciah: Yes.

   Sandy: selves?

   Micciah: Yes. There is.

   Sandy: And how, and when, and how do we tap in?

   Micciah: It’s — it is completely different for different people. We will go back to what we said before….
   When you enter a state of the experience of Oneness — and even within that state there are degrees of the experience — when you enter that state, the illusions of time drop away… and you are being born, and dying, and doing everything in between, at once.
   And again: there are experiences reported — when the body has died or is approaching death and then returns to ordinary consciousness — of seeing the entire life in one moment. Yes? You have heard this?

   Students: Yes… um-hmmm.

   Micciah: “I was almost in a car accident and my life flashed before me! The entirety of my life flashed before me in one moment!” Well, it is like that, but more.
   When…  we can describe it to you another way: when the large portion of the brain — the frontal portion of the brain, which you hardly utilize at all — is activated, even in the smallest degree, through an experience of enlightenment, or meditation, or what… however it happens! — Life becomes like that, like that moment people describe in the crisis when their thinking mind absolutely stops — nothing else is going on! Through the shock — you GET the awareness. And you are also able to be in the physical body, and take care of your life, and so forth. Really, it oscillates in and out. But after you have that awareness, nothing is ever the same. All you need is one experience of union, and nothing is ever the same.
   [Aloud] We will leave you, then.
   We thank you very much for being here, this long and very intense session.
   We bless you all… and all of you who watch; and Jon, and Jennifer. And of course our leading star, Miss Zoe [indicates the cat].
   And we bid you a most wonderful evening.

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   Julie: That’s the end of this particular segment... of this particular adventure. And this channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellectual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you.
   Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it. So long.

ONSCREEN VISUAL DISCLAIMER:
   Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellec­tual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”