Produced by Jon Child

Transcript of Program 114, 1989


Some of Julie’s early work in channel from 1989 where Micciah discusses:
Channeling is just a form:  It has been around in different forms “forever.”  As with all creative exploration, there is one level where it is playful and another level where you must be responsible for evaluating [it.]
Do we really enter this plane ignorant?  How can we access our innate knowledge?  You do not come in ignorant.  Children can be taught and encouraged to “remember” their inner wisdom and their connection to the great self.  One of the purposes of being here in this plane is to penetrate the illusion of separation to oneness.  Other purposes include “the apparent dilemma of time;” patience; loyalty and compassion; attachment; death; and many different aspects of telling the truth.
How can we increase our contact with alternate realities?  We actually do experience them all the time; we have to learn to pay attention to them.  Listen to your dreams. Children access alternate realities easily.

   Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends.

   Julie:  We do greet you, indeed.  This is Micciah Channel, and I’m Julie Winter.  Micciah is an energy entity who works with me while I’m in trance, and while I’m in the trance state I have access to a point of view that seems to come from a non-physical realm.  This series of programs is drawn primarily from videotapes taken during my regular classes.  We want to expand our circle, and include your energy and interest in our work.

   What you are going to see is me, with my personality and intelligence, awareness, go into an altered state.  While I’m in that altered state, I join with other energies, or another energy, and produce the personality of Micciah.  And I have, in that state, an awareness that I don’t ordinarily have.  And I’m going to respond to questions that my classes have asked me.


   Micciah:  Yes, we greet you all, dear friends.  [pause]  Now this form that you are calling channeling happens in many ways, has been happening forever, it is part of the history of peoplekind, if you want to look at it in a linear frame of reference.  It is part of the eternal moment, if you want to look at it in the frame of reference that all time is simultaneous.
   It has been called many different things over the centuries, some of them complimentary and some of them less than complimentary.  And there have been times that would have made the doing of this in this form literally lethal.  Life threatening.  To do this would have been to invite burning, or torture.
   So, it is part of your natural heritage of being alive, and it doesn’t have to be in this form.  This is just a form, the way writing is one form and dancing is another form.  Music is a little bit different because it relies...., utilizes a natural, an important part of the quality of the whole cosmos, which is sound.  And, as with all creative exploration, there is one level where it is playful and another level where you must be responsible for evaluating.  So...
   Please, what would you like to discuss?

   Sheldon:  Well, Micciah, here’s the first question.  Why must we only re-enter this plane in ignorance?  If my enlightened spirit exists simultaneously somewhere with my current incarnation, why can’t I communicate with it more easily and benefit from my own knowledge?

   Micciah:  Well, you don’t come in ignorant, really.  You are systematically taught to be ignorant.
   There are ways of.... being with children, raising children, that deliberately, specifically encourage the aspect of the child that knows itself to be connected to the great self, or the over self, the wise self.  And, amongst some people, that inner knowing is brought forth nourished, strengthened, and...  Perhaps you imagine that that connection would be.... impressive in some way that your present ego defines as impressive.  But the wisdom and inner knowing and compassion and access to greater spheres of awareness are quite ordinary.  And your own still living tissue of those threads, the ones that have stayed very vibrant, are expressed through -- this is hard to describe --, through spontaneity, through contact with your own truthful knowing -- about yourself, not about anyone else.  With your creativity, with your reverence for life.  Do you know what we are saying?  That it is not big and important and impressive.
   Now, why do you come in ignorant?  We say you do not come in ignorant.  There are a number of schools of thought at the moment which describe a developing awareness of spirituality and the capacity to encompass that awareness as coming after a child’s ego development.  After the various stages of childhood, the inquiring mind, separation and adolescence, and so forth.  After these stages have been completed, when the ego is strong, and the psychological growth is whole, then spiritual awareness enters in.  So we will probably attract a great deal of criticism for this, but we, mm, don’t think that’s the way it happens.  And in fact, there are children who are what you would call enlightened beings, in the parlance of the spiritual hierarchies.
   We would say that if you are born into a situation where you are taught one kind of ignorance or another, then it is still always within the possibility of your choosing to shift the location of the center, to shift the way you are organizing your beingness.  Why do you choose to dance again and again with the veils that seem to separate you from oneness?  Because that’s one of the dances in this physical realm.
   There are practices, not only of meditation, although meditation is one, practices of mind, of body, of dream keeping, that is, dream watching, of [pause] altered states, many many practices, of service, that remind you who you are.  And you can choose that at any moment.  And you can begin to first work through the threads that are still vibrant, then to open the ones that have become clogged, that keep you in touch with -- what did you call it Sheldon? -- your own wiser self, your own...

   Sheldon:  My enlightened spirit.

   Micciah:  Enlightened spirit.  It is always absolutely with you.  It hasn’t gone anywhere.  But you have built up an architecture of beliefs that hold you in, that until they are dismantled seem to keep you from the truth.  Is that clear?  You can ask further.

   Sheldon:   It’s clear.  What’s not clear is the advantage of the difficultness of it as opposed to its just easily being there and none of the nightmare of trying to achieve it.

   Micciah:  Well, nightmare indeed.  Yes.  This is a big...  Why have this realm at all if it’s going to be full of illusion and delusion.  Why not create it some other way?  Why not be born with perfect muscles in the body?  Perfect biceps, triceps, ankles, thighs, flat belly?  Why have to work with it, or for it?
   So, you are really asking what is the purpose of this realm?  And one of the purposes is the soul, the soul’s inquiry into the apparent dilemma of time.  Well, why?  Well, because.  That is.... because.... it is.... You know to just have something is not the same as honing yourself and tuning yourself and pressing through a delusion or an illusion into...., for falling into the truth that was always there.
   And there are some specific tasks in this realm.  One of them of course is patience.  A quality you only grapple with when you are living in the illusion of time.  Another is discrimination, as differentiated from, well, we were going to say “judgment.”  The way that you use  the word judgment has a particular flavor.  Another is loyalty, compassion.
   If you were completely at one with all of this, then you wouldn’t be here, you’d be somewhere else.  And parts of you indeed are somewhere else.  This dream is a dream where you get to grapple with suffering and with attachment and with the illusion of the desirability of material riches.  With loyalty, with relationship, and with apparent death.  And it is all constructed magnificently to allow you to interact [pause] with illusion and ultimately to penetrate through it, through the duality.  Does that make sense?  This is really a very partial response to an enormous question.

   Sheldon:  The enormity makes sense.  It will take a while to really hear the answer.

   Micciah:  There are other realms, indeed, where truth, another quality of this realm --  You see, you can, you are really all living in a psychic pool.  Everyone knows everything about everyone.  There are no secrets in cosmic mind.  And yet you play with truth-telling. You withhold the truth, you are alarmed about the truth, you feel vulnerable in it, you don’t tell the truth.  So there are other realms where this is not an issue.  All is known already.  There is no inner process, no conflict, and no vote.  It is just known.
   So to learn how to be with it and be vulnerable and to communicate the truth is a specific kind of learning.  And, this is where is gets done, in this dream.  And other aspects of your total being are....  you have elements of the star that you are in other realms simultaneously.  Are in other realms.  [pause]

   Ione:  Micciah, there appear to be breakthroughs sometimes in this fabric, these threads...

   Micciah:  Yes.

   Ione:  ...between dimensions.  And the kind of breakthroughs that I’m talking about are physical breakthroughs where perhaps you can glimpse an alternate self, the physical reality of an alternate self in this reality.  And I’m wondering if we as a group or individually would be able to increase the possibility of such encounters.  And if there are certain ways we could or should go about doing this.

   Micciah:  You can increase the encounters and the first way is to explore the possibility as a model, as a reality.
   You really do experience it all....  It goes the other way.  You experience alternate realities, you experience probable selves all the time.  Or they are there, you are all there all the time, you are all here.  But you blank out the experience because it doesn’t fit the model.  You say, “Oh, that didn’t happen, that must be something else, someone else.”  So, if you listen, for instance, to some of the voices in your own inner dialogue, most of which you think are psychological voices, psychologically based, you will start to hear elements of conversations, and you will begin to see fragments, if you pay attention, that are aspects of alternate realities.  Really.  Sometimes when people write plays, forgive us, [to Sheldon jokingly] or write books, they are partially organized around another set of circumstances, a probable set of circumstances.  And someone who writes books or plays or movies is very adept at hearing those other voices.  And what children tell, again, until they are told it is all make believe, it is all a story, some of it is make believe, and some of it is recall of alternate lives, of other lives with children, lives that are associated with their present physical focus.  Some of it is the voices of probable realities that the child is hearing and hasn’t blocked out yet.
   So, the simplest way to begin -- it’s not very grand --, the simplest way to begin is to listen to interior dialogue, to pay attention to your dream selves.  If you really pay attention to your dreams, you will find that alternative selves, probable selves, come up serially in dreams over the years.  And probable relationships with people you have never met on this plane of action in this life, same people, come up over and over again, even though, in this reality, you would say, “Oh, I had a dream about a man I never met.”  They’re all around you.  The great effort is in keeping them out!
   Start to...  Give yourself an exercise.  Start to write a story about a probable self, see what comes out.  Sometimes [pause], hmm.  You have a probable self going through a crisis, or whatever the equivalent of dying would be, and you can feel the impact.............


   Julie: That’s the end of this particular segment... of this particular adventure. And this channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellectual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you.
   Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it. So long.

   Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellec­tual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”