Produced by Jon Child

Transcript of Program 145, 1990 & 89  [automated CC]

Some of Julie’s early work in channel from 1990 & 1989 where Micciah discusses:
Is murder (i.e., of tyrants) ever justified? No; murder is always a failure. The root of murderous consciousness can only be reached by individual and mass awakening. (Censorship: “a kind of murder of possibilities.”) Though political purges may ease immediate suffering, and “in the greatest sense” there are agreements among participants, nothing makes murder okay. View Section
Has our race progressed in the last thousand years? The climate of consciousness (fear-ridden) is about the same. Ancient greed is harnessed to technology. Long ago, there were “whole ages of peace.” We are now “trying to reclaim [our] connection to the One.” View Section
Vegetarianism: Healthful food eaten in a state of anxiety produces health only on the mechanical level. Within reason, “if you bless what you eat for one week” you will be radiant. View Section

   Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends.

   Julie: My Name is Julie Winter, and this program is called Micciah Channel.
   And what you are going to see is me, going into an altered state of consciousness, a non-ordinary state of awareness. And what I believe happens when I am in that state is that I enter an expanded geography of the self, and that there is an overlap between what I know (my intelligence, my awareness, my experience) and something that is larger than my ordinary awareness. It may indeed be that it is all part of my awareness and that would be fine. What’s produced is a personality that is a product of this overlapping, and the personality is called Micciah.
   My voice is going to change and it is my own voice. The variations in speech have to do with my being in an altered state.
   The program is created from my classes. My students bring questions in. We encourage you to ask questions, to ask questions about channeling, about my channeling, whatever. And use your discernment in evaluating the information that comes through.
   The program that you are about to see is made up of a number of different class sessions.


   Micciah: We greet you, dear friends. And we are most pleased to be with you.
   Please, what are your questions?

   Alan: Micciah — in the world of fiction and film we are trained to cheer when the villain is done away with. In thinking about reality, however, and the current events around the world, and particularly in Rumania: is the murder of tyrants justified, in reality?

   Micciah: [Deep breath.] This is a very slippery question. Very tricky.
   Murder is not justified — except perhaps in a confrontation where you must stop something else. In other words, if you are holding a baby hostage, and you are going to shoot the baby, and instead of your being able to do that someone shoots you ... [pause] no — sorry. It is always a failure.
   It is always a failure. Murder of one creature who is in the consciousness of choosing — and we must say, in the broadest sense, that human creatures as well as many others are in the consciousness of choosing. Trees do not murder each other; they may fall on one another and therefore one dies. That’s — different.
   Murder is a failure to find some other mode, some other strategy, some other possibility of dealing with the situation of life, with the gift of life — with the struggles of life.
   [Deep breath.] And you cannot look at it — at the fact of a tyrant — in isolation, because it takes many, many people together to create a tyrant. It takes a collection of consciousness to create a tyrant. From our point of view murder is always a failure.
   There is sanctioned murder: war. War is somewhere between sanctioned murder and sanctioned suicide. There is sanctioned murder as the punishment of criminals, which is a horror — a horror....
   We suppose you could say that when the body is very, very ill, and because of the ingenuity of contemporary medicine it is sustained through heroic (so-called) measures, [if] the measures are stopped that is — a blessing. That is not murder. Or when a body is very ill ... very ill, in terrible pain, and release comes through a little too much of a drug, that can also be a blessing.
   Murder is not justified. And it is not your right to cut short the life of another, even though in the larger sense ... no matter how you die, in the greatest sense (this is a very complicated question) you are participating in leaving that physical life. And — murder ... is a failure.
   [Deep breath.]
   Do you want to ask further about this?

   Pamela: Um — but what if it’s a murder undertaken to stop someone from committing more murders — you know that you’re saving other lives?

   Micciah: It is not necessary to murder them. It is necessary to put them out of commission, to put them away, to make it impossible for them to take further life. There are ways of doing that that do not involve murdering them. And ultimately it does not stop it — because whatever is the murderous principle in consciousness, that is manifesting itself through that person, will manifest itself through another person and another person. It does not pull at the roots of it.
   We understand what you are asking. If you say there is — there is a tyrant who is in charge of a country, how has it gotten to be that way? You don’t have to murder the individual to stop them. Do you?

   Pamela: Oh; well, it does seem that — in the way politics happens, that —

   Micciah: Yes.

   Pamela: — capturing people sometimes is much more difficult than —

   Micciah: Yes — yes. But we are saying it is a failure. When murder is the only strategy, the only possibility, then many, many other things have failed.

   Pamela: Well, when you talk about going to the roots, and curing the roots, that’s probably a big question, and — but — if there’s a short answer to that, what exactly does that mean?

   Micciah: It means that individuals become responsible for their own awakening. And that they are so strongly connected with their own inner guidance, in their relationship to Spirit, individually and as groups, that an enormous transformation takes place.

   Pamela: This is connected, because it’s the exact theme I was thinking about in regards to the censorship of music. Of rather than censoring, having other people censor, in a free country, what we listen to or watch, that the way to go about healing what we’ve — if we feel we have a dysfunctional art or a dysfunctional culture — is to awaken. That the individual has that responsibility to awaken and to educate people how to awaken, rather than deal with the art itself.

   Micciah: Yes. Yes. Censorship is a kind of murdering of possibilities: You are not allowed to say this or that. It doesn’t really work. It doesn’t end up protecting anyone.
   This is full of so many threads! It is an oversimplification of issues of tremendous complexity.
   Alan, is that a sufficient response to the question about tyrants?

   Alan: The word that sticks out in my mind is the word “consciousness” that you mentioned before, Micciah. And I was just wondering if, to go back over the question once more, perhaps the word “apparent” should be placed in front of the word “murder.” And in dealing with the word “consciousness”: is there an element that pushes through from some other realm that directs this kind of behavior? Is — does any good whatsoever come out of, I suppose, the purging that exists in this circumstance; and is it possible that the people who are involved — shall we say, the tyrants — are in some way in agreement?

   Micciah: Yes. In the greatest sense there are agreements beyond your understanding, and again it’s an issue that has become vastly oversimplified and therefore distorted: “Oh — I see; well, everyone agrees that they are going to die, so it doesn’t matter.” It does matter.
   Is it possible for there to be a purge in the immediate sense, in the concrete sense? Yes. Does it create a genuine healing? Probably not, because there will be an eruption of the same kind of disturbance elsewhere, although it may create an immediate and then continued amelioration of serious ills. When — when — does that make sense?

   Alan: Yes. Yes.


   John: When I compare the recent tragic events like the slaughter in Beijing and ongoing destruction of the natural world by our race; when I compare that to what we experienced as a race a thousand years ago — wars all over Europe, but at least vast tracts of wilderness all over Europe — I wonder if we are indeed progressing as a race, if there is such a thing as linear progression.

   Micciah: Hmm. Is there such a thing as linear progression? Not exactly. No.
   Now: you tend to blame yourselves for the current conditions, for the horrible cruelties that are very much in evidence. But if people a thousand years ago could have raped the forests, they probably would have.
   You see, you are the culmination of a cycle of consciousness. It’s true there was — there — the earth, the body of the earth itself, was intact, in the sense that the forests were untouched and the rivers were not poisoned and the oceans were not vomiting out hypodermic needles. But, ah — the narcissism and the fear that has created these conditions — the climate of consciousness that has created these conditions — is not very different than the climate of consciousness that created the Napoleonic Wars or the Crusade, the Children’s Crusades.
   Basically, it is a similar kind of attuning, which is the howl of fear that compels you to act in such a cruel way, and greedy ways. Now, the technology has advanced so you can harness your greed to very magnificent and complicated toys. But — you see the tuning of consciousness — one is a natural result of the other. The tuning that created all of this in the first place. As we said before, the outer history of the world is fraught with danger.
   Some of it is danger that you create through your own fears, through your greed; some, danger of earthquakes. You know, the earth itself can be violent, and nothing in this realm is permanent. So — long before you created bombs the earth was capable of spitting up fire and lava and killing off hundreds of inhabitants if they happened to be in the way — trees, animals, everything.
   We are going to tie this together.
   So: you have the outer world where all of this drama is being enacted — earthquakes, war, disease. You have the inner world, which is completely filled with Spirit, pouring out through events — even earthquakes! And then you have distortions in the emotional body of human beings, human creatures; and these distortions are distortions that involve the creation of a planet of fear. There is love and there is fear. That’s about it. And your fear is also held by the inner world, or the Great Ones, with compassion, as you experiment.
   And you are the outcome of a cycling that started long before you, in the great birthing and rebirthing of the earth as an entity. And there also have been creatures — two-leggeds — during all times who were peaceful, who were loving toward the environment, toward the community, reverent toward life. And if you go all the way back in linear time there were whole ages of peace, when many, many, many, beings came in and created a climate of conscious love. Conscious love. We think some of the stories of Eden in the Bible refer to much earlier times. So this is this cycle of — we don’t want to say “development” — movement.
   And, ah — [sigh] — there were once beings who were hardly dense at all, in their physical selves. And there have been all manner of things in the history of this planet, in the outer history.
   So — you are not so much evolving as you are trying to reclaim your connection with the One, that has always been present — that you have danced away from and come back to and danced away from. Now, the life of the planet is involved.
   So we are responding to your question, if not answering it.
   Just as we said earlier, that you can have a diseased physical body that is filled with Spirit — POURS out of it — you can have a diseased concrete condition, like the condition in China, like the condition in South Africa, like the conditions right over here in the street, and still that is no barrier to Spirit. Spirit keeps on singing itself in the perfect silence of all sound.
   Do you need to make changes? Oh yes. Oh yes. And they are coming. Do you need to hold yourselves steady and encourage each other in the climate of your faith and your actions in this time which — which is an embodiment of disease, slaughter? Oh yes. Yes. Yes.
   Do you matter? [Whisper] Oh yes. Yes. [Aloud] One of the greatest errors, one of the saddest conditions, is a kind of global sense of, ah — hopelessness, as insignificance.
   Vegetarianism: we will come back to it.
   The consciousness with which you enact your choices; the consciousness; the climate, the toning of it, the signaling of it: if I am signaling fear — if I am eating healthy food in a signaling of fear — although the healthy food at the most mechanical level will have a good effect on my body, I will not be nearly as healthy as someone eating less well, according to the current standards of natural food, who is blessing the food and the environment.
   Now, there are limitations. Food has a vibratory rate also. You have to be a very strong, ah — climate of attunement to alchemize some of what you eat. But the consciousness is very important. There are some people who physically need meat. Most people, many people, don’t. People in very, very cold climates do.
   That points the way. We have told you before: if you bless what you eat for one week — appreciate it and love it — you will have a radiant effect on your health. And conversely, the vibration, the tuning, of anxiety — “I must not eat this! I must not eat this! No — I must not eat that! No! A little dairy? No! A little wheat? No — makes mucus. No! Sugar. No! Nope, no coffee!” —
   — is a “No”-consciousness. It is very hard for that to produce health, vitality! (It may actually produce health, but not much vitality.)


   Julie: That’s the end of this particular segment... of this particular adventure. And this channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellectual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you.
   Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.

   Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellec­tual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”