Produced by Jon Child

Transcript of Program 161, 1991  [automated CC]

Some of Julie’s early work in channel from 1991 where Micciah discusses:
Matrix of this discussion: “You are the beloved children of Spirit.” No matter what the circumstance, divine love is always available. People in the awakened state feel this. When personality-self tries to function without Spirit, it’s resources are limited. View Section
Saying No: Observe the intention of your “No.” Experience your right to choose. Spiritual discernment: “Does this affirm my life-force, or not?” View Section
Teaching children healthy boundaries: Loved children quickly develop individuality; out of that they learn to use their life-force well. View Section

   Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends.

   Julie: My Name is Julie Winter, and this program is called Micciah Channel.
   And what you are going to see is me, going into an altered state of consciousness, a non-ordinary state of awareness. And what I believe happens when I am in that state is that I enter an expanded geography of the self, and that there is an overlap between what I know (my intelligence, my awareness, my experience) and something that is larger than my ordinary awareness. It may indeed be that it is all part of my awareness and that would be fine. What’s produced is a personality that is a product of this overlapping, and the personality is called Micciah.
   My voice is going to change and it is my own voice. The variations in speech have to do with my being in an altered state.
   The program is created from my classes. My students bring questions in. We encourage you to ask questions, to ask questions about channeling, about my channeling, whatever. And use your discernment in evaluating the information that comes through.


   Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends. And we are most happy to be with you on this beautiful, still, light evening.
   [Whisper.] Now ... [Phone rings.] [Aloud.] The room’s full of [ring!] — music.
   We are going to speak first about the relationship of child and parent: the relationship between you as entities, and the vastness, and also the very present, personal, and particular love of Spirit.
   You are the beloved children of the Divine. You are — if you awaken to it.
   Now: at the personality level you can contemplate a statement of this nature and say: “Well. Oh — oh yeah, really! Nice try.” But we wish to have this as a fundamental understanding, as the matrix of this discussion; because, no matter what the circumstance (and you know we do not advocate suffering, unnecessary suffering) — no matter what the circumstance, Spirit — that love — is available to you permanently. Unconditionally. Those beings who live in an awakened state of consciousness are constantly aware of the bliss, the magnificence, of the Divine.
   Sometimes there are moments in your life, both in waking time and in dreamtime, when you open — suddenly! — and are able to drink in this stream of love. And when you do ... your whole being ... responds to the alchemy — that stream going into you and being realized. Realized! It’s always there. You can’t lose the Divine. It has nowhere to go. It does not have a busy appointment schedule. [Laughter.] It is embarrassingly easy to [whisper] touch.
   [Aloud.] So, living in the personality-self and seeking to awaken, ah — to the wisdom of the Oversoul speaking to the personality, touching it, singing with it, you begin to — hah [sigh]! — shift your perception of the density of circumstance. We have talked about this before. When you are most enclosed in the personality-self (and there is nothing, quote, “wrong” with your personality. You bring in the personality to work with its, um — elements; in order to open the seeds within the personality; to be fed, to be fed by Spirit) — when you are enclosed in the personality-self, there is a sense of isolation, despair (the more enclosed you are), loneliness ... and, very importantly, lack of access to true resources. The personality-self, when it is trying to function as a contained unit without Spirit, without the wisdom and the love, can only come up with a very limited number of solutions to things — do you understand?
   All right. Now: what are your questions?

   Shahida: My question is: when to say no.

   Micciah: Hm —

   Shahida: Sometimes it’s very clear. I would — you know — I would feel it in my belly and it just comes out, straight, and it’s very clear. Sometimes — it’s not.

   Micciah: You need to be able to observe the intention of your no. Some people are, at a personality level — temperamentally — no-sayers. No, they don’t like new experiences; no, they don’t like new kinds of food; no, they don’t like to travel; no, they do not want to change. “No!”
   Some of it of course will have been induced by whatever environment, or — or — will be a response to an environment. But some people have brought a big NO! in —
   — at the personality level; and that is part of their task, to address it. So there are many kinds of no [with a laugh.]
   Ah — there’s — let us go back a little bit: if you are being asked something to which you could respond “Yes,” “No,” “Maybe,” you are bringing in the question of choice. Ah! All these issues are wound together, like — ivy.
   If you have been loved — this hypothetical child! —
   — who has been loved and nurtured; who is individuated; who is also conscious of others — then this child experiences real power to choose. As we have said before! You come into the earth plane — one of the major teachings is about choice. How do you choose? Do you choose Spirit, ultimately? Do you choose to stay very contained? What does it mean, to choose? Spirit has left you free — to choose!
   So when you say, “How do I say no?”, you are implying the question of choice — yes? So then you must know, as an entity, how free are you to authentically choose? If you have been what is called a people-pleaser, if you have never really been allowed to develop your own sense of power in choosing, then you must do that in conjunction with learning how to say no — and learning how to say yes.
   Once you understand that you are in power empowered to choose; or, once you viscerally experience that you have the power — it is your right — to make choices; then when do you say no? It depends on the situation.
   Hopefully, you can say no to situations that are not life-affirming. You understand they are not affirming of the life principle — yours or anybody else’s. And “No!” is a good boundary. But behind it has to be the authentic experience that it is your right to choose. Do you understand?

   Shahida: Um-hm.

   Micciah: Because what is heard on the other side — if you are not really behind the no, what the other person receives is, “No???” Which is not really a no.
   We don’t know what else to say about that.
   Is there a further question, Shahida?

   Shahida: Mmm — not really; I realize it’s very intertwined with each other — I mean, there are so many situations. The question just came up.

   Micciah: Yes.

   Shahida: And — um — let me see. What I’m also thinking of, like — right now, that sometimes I do not want to listen to a person, or what a particular person is saying. But then — I’ve discovered that in the last weeks — when I open myself up and I listen to that person, then that person really has something good to say; or it might make sense; or, it does make sense, even, and it will turn my no into a yes. It depends —

   Micciah: Yes — [with a laugh].

   Shahida: — again, you know, that depends on the situation; and I realize, by myself, closing up, then of course you know it stays a no, a no, a no; and then by opening myself up it becomes a yes. Um — I don’t know; it’s — somehow I like it that you’ve just talked about it a little bit — although — yeah, it is a very broad issue! [Laughing.]

   Micciah: Yes, becuase behind it is the question of really experiencing your right to choose, and then having the wherewithal to make the choice —

   Shahida: Yes. Yes. Yes.

   Micciah: — to be able to evaluate; to use the gift of the Spirit that is called discernment, and discern, in the situation: “Does this affirm my life-force, or not?” So —

   Shahida: Right.

   Micciah: So these are really big issues. Ah — it’s not — it’s not about saying no: it’s about being able to choose.

   Shahida: Yeah.

   Micciah: And then knowing how.

   Susan: What if all the choices that you see, you want to say no to? And you feel like you don’t have any choice?

   Micciah: [Pause. Quietly.] There is always a choice. [Aloud.] There may not be a choice about the circumstance, but there’s always a choice about the way you perceive something.

   Susan: So then, it’s in changing your perception?

   Micciah: It can be. There are some choices over which you have no direct control — some circumstances over which you have no direct control. Your only choice is in your perception.
   There is really a larger question, which is (or issue): all circumstances are — all circumstances are, is your perception.
   Take the circumstance of a disease. One person perceives the disease as a divine teaching, and the other ... another goes into bitterness; and it is only misery.
   Please go on.

   Joanne: I think this is kind of redundant; but — my question was: how do you teach a child boundaries that are healthy? Not just related to this work, but in general, in life? So that they have a proper ego development but aren’t — you know — narcissistic.

   Micciah: Yes. A child who develops into an adult who is narcissistic is a child who has a very weak sense of self.

   Joanne: Yeah.

   Micciah: In being loved, a child will acquaint herself — himself — with his/her own life-force, and will be generously protective about the life-force and generously giving of it.
   [Whisper.] Just a moment.
   [Aloud.] And children, often, particularly when they are very much loved, develop quickly into their own temperament. And then, as they bump into the various places in their personality, you can teach them how to, ah ... mm — work with the pieces that, ah — are [searching for words] — we want to say blockages, but that’s not quite right.
   Let us say a child is born with a very fiery temperament, curious and stubborn and willful and, ah — independent. This is the child’s natural temperament. So then she, he, wants to be abloe to use the will toward creative projects, let us say, and not against other people. So you have to take the particular child, and say, “Well, now, here — here you are, bumping into the —” The little personality wants to use her will to get everybody else in line. So you can educate a child in how to use the gifts creatively and how to tolerate, in this case, being told “No.”
   Is that what you mean, Joanne?

   Joanne: Yeah. That is what I mean.

   Micciah: Even when children are in, ah — an abusive situation, on shaky ground, in dangerous territory, they have a real personality, a temperament. But when that temperament bumps into abusive surroundings, it starts to get skewed. Covered over. Shamed. If the child is encouraged in his own life-force — her own life-force — then there is much less unwrapping you have to do — you know? And the person comes through very clearly.
   And children pick up the larger environment, you know? They know that there is a war. They not only know it because they’re hearing it on the television set, but they know it — because they know it.
   So there is the child’s inner environment, and the child’s home environment, and the wider social environment, and then the larger, earth-plane context. And then — to come back to our original point — if the child is parented by people who feel and live their connection to Spirit, then the child has that as home base. Becasue you are only loaned to your parents, anyway.
   You are only in the costume. You have been each other’s parents — child, parents; parents, child. Then there is a mutual, familial understanding of what home base is; and that is — Spirit. Somewhat different from religion!


   Julie: That’s the end of this particular segment... of this particular adventure. And this channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellectual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you.
   Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.

   Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellec­tual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”