Produced by Jon Child

Transcript of Program 162, 1991  [automated CC]

Some of Julie’s early work in channel from 1991 where Micciah discusses:
Teaching children about Spirit: A child who is deeply loved and whose parents are psychologically whole will naturally develop an awareness of connection with the Divine. In our culture children need boundaries to protect them from toxicity. View Section
Protection in a toxic situation: What is Spirit communicating? Have you really called upon the love of Spirit? Nurture your bond with the Divine (perhaps by repeating a mantra) throughout the situation. View Section

   Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends.

   Julie: My Name is Julie Winter, and this program is called Micciah Channel.
   And what you are going to see is me, going into an altered state of consciousness, a non-ordinary state of awareness. And what I believe happens when I am in that state is that I enter an expanded geography of the self, and that there is an overlap between what I know (my intelligence, my awareness, my experience) and something that is larger than my ordinary awareness. It may indeed be that it is all part of my awareness and that would be fine. What’s produced is a personality that is a product of this overlapping, and the personality is called Micciah.
   My voice is going to change and it is my own voice. The variations in speech have to do with my being in an altered state.
   The program is created from my classes. My students bring questions in. We encourage you to ask questions, to ask questions about channeling, about my channeling, whatever. And use your discernment in evaluating the information that comes through.



   Susan: How much, and in what ways, can we teach children the type of work we do without messing up their boundaries?

   Micciah: When you say “Without messing up their boundaries,” you mean without, ah — inflicting yourself on them?

   Susan: No; so much of this work has to do with be- —

   Micciah: Melting?

   Susan: — becoming — yeah, becoming one.

   Micciah: Yes.

   Susan: How do you teach it, and at the same time help them even acquire their boundaries, since they don’t have [laughing] so much of them when they’re born, and they need them!

   Micciah: Yes. Yes, they do.
   First of all, you must place this in a cultural context — yes? The sense of psychological boundaries; the appropriateness of certain boundaries; the stance one takes in relationships; the quality of intimacy; the sense of group — all of that is, ah — flourishes in the garden that is the container of the culture. Yes? What you are taught is different, we think, even in Holland, Shahida. Children are taught a different consciousness of group awareness. American children particularly are taught (particularly males, but females as well) the value of assertion, of individuation; of, ah — moving ahead. Children in other cultures are instructed differently, in terms of Self and Other, Self and Group. So, everything we say is going to have to be adjusted for your cultural understanding.
   When the parents are whole (more or less) psychologically, and feel themselves connected with the Great Mother-Father-Spirit, then they have very few unconscious needs that the child is requested to fulfill. (Probably many of you have read “The Drama of the Gifted Child” which describes the dilemma of the child forced to fulfill the parents’ needs.) As the child is loved, so, in the natural course of the love they develop a generous sense of self.
   [Whisper.] Just a moment. This is hard to get. [Aloud.] This is almost like imagining a color you have never seen.
   And the generosity ... holds the child. When a child is raised with no shame (we are speaking in idealistic terms, but since you asked!), or very little shaming, then the sense of self — the individuated sense of Self — experiments with life, and with Not-self, in an admirable way.
   A great deal of what you conceive of as being necessary boundaries have to do with making oneself safe from toxicity —

   Susan: Hmm!

   Micciah: — here is the missing piece; we knew we would find it! So, you have a whole system that is skewed with, ah — [sigh; searches for words] a great rupture from Spirit (at least at the conscious level); many undigested needs and demands on the part of the parents; shaming; abuse — and, within this context, coupled with (particularly in America) the apparent affirmation of this very highly individuated forceful quality. (It’s not really, but we’ll leave it in the model.) Then you need very sturdy, consistent boundaries — Rrn! [a macho grunt] — resilient fortification to keep out material that is, ah — poisonous.
   [Sigh.] This also sounds critical, which we don’t really mean it to sound. Parents trying so hard — often out in their own pain — trying to do their best, and not able to do very much.
   Human beings want to touch each other’s hearts and express their natural affection. You say: “Well, ye- — well; yes — really? How did all of this turn into this?” Well — [with a laugh] you chose certain pathways, at a group level. As you know, you are in an enormous time — you are in a time of enormous change.
   So — do you understand what we are getting at? [It’s] a somewhat roundabout description. The child growing in this environment needs to have — mm — resilient boundaries, not because they are going to melt into God but because psychologically they are likely to be barraged by unconscious needs and dysfunctional patterns and manipulational kinds of things.
   However: given the context that you have, a child can be taught to ... connect with Spirit, to be aware of the dance of Spirit in everything, to be aware of the great power of creative shaping with their thoughts and ideas. They are very responsive to know that they have healing energy in their small hands — that healing is all around them in the earth. And this will support a healthy sense of individuality.

   Susan: Will that be enough to — to give them the boundaries to the toxicity, though? If they grow up in such a loving environment, and then go out into the world, where that is not what’s happening to them —

   Micciah: We understand the question.

   Susan: — will they need to be taught something else?

   Micciah: A little Kung Fu.
   They need to be taught to function and strategize in [with a laugh] what you refer to as the “real world”; yes. They do. They are going to live in it, and you will not do a child a favor by making her or him a hothouse flower.

   Susan: So then you could just tell them things, like —

   Micciah: Yes! You can tell them —

   Susan: “Well, you believe this, and if someone else says that’s not true it’s okay, you can still believe this and just ignore” — just like that?

   Micciah: Yes. Yes, and you can tell your friends, “No!” And all the things that you have struggled to learn as adults in this environment, you can tell the child.

   Susan: Okay.

   Micciah: Yes. And there are things that will be understandable in the larger context of the home, if it is metaphysically oriented — spiritually oriented — that other children won’t understand; and you can bring them here. You can bring them home. And yes, it will be different in other parts of your environment.
   It’s very tricky.
   You don’t want to feed a child information that the world is a bad and dangerous place. And you also want to give them skills that they will need to function successfully.
   Please continue.

   Polly: Micciah, ah — we have another question, which is: If you’re in a situation which is a fairly toxic situation for your set of boundaries, and yet the situation is not something you can either: readily change at that particular point in your life, or need to be in for some reason. How do you protect yourself from a situation in which your boundaries are being invaded constantly? So that you’re not — you don’t begin to internalize that, and make yourself ill, or —

   Micciah: Yes. We understand.
   We are assuming you mean — you. We are assuming — we are speaking of this in the context of spiritual possibilities as well, yes?

   Polly: Yes. Definitely.

   Micciah: [Whisper.] All right. [Aloud.] If you are in a situation where life is squeezing you, or pushing you around, and the situation seems to be ... immobile, or immovable — from the most extreme kind of “immovable,” quote, situation, [in] which you are in a situation and you are caught, you are caught in a war, and there are bombs dropping, there’s not very much you can do physically about the situation — to a situation of a work environment, or whatever; you cannot get out at that moment. We will assume — make a further assumption that it is not a violent situation, of being physically tormented.
   So then the first question is: What is the communication of this outer circumstance? What are my responses, emotionally? What is the communication of the situation; and, does the situation have a history? That is: this is part of a long line of situations that have very much the same flavor.
   Because you are asking what is being enacted through the situation, and what could its higher purpose be. (We don’t mean to sit around endlessly in a harmful situation while you consider the higher purpose.)
   We are assuming you have strategized and attempted to move out of it, and that layer is taken care of, or has been addressed — yes?
   If you then assume that as a child of Spirit, as a manifestation of divine intelligence, there is going to be a purpose in everything that appears in your hologram, you look at the garment of the situation: “In what am I clothing myself? What might Spirit wish me to comprehend through this?” Spirit might wish you to comprehend that you are more ingenious than you have imagined, and you can get yourself out.
   That you have limited your resources, your sense of options, and there is indeed a way out.
   “What is the purpose?” Because it is not so different from saying — well, you come up with something in the body: a heart condition; diabetes; cancer. There it is (at least for the moment, yes?): the circumstance. Perhaps it can be healed, in any way from standard medicine to miraculous touch. At the moment, the circumstance is — there.
   What is the teaching? What is the communication? Have you really called upon spiritual help to assist you? We started out this session talking about the awakened state, and being fed with the love and the bliss of the heart of Spirit. Have you really called upon that? [Pause.] What is the hidden intention in the situation?
   It could be coming from the psychological level, the personality-self. You realize this is Number 217 in a line of very similar situations — “I need to go into therapy and work out how I’m not getting this before I go in.” There isn’t any — we don’t have a set pattern; it may not be — ah — [searching for words; then, quietly] well, it is always a case for divine intervention; we will always make that case.
   You are asking: Upon what do I call, when a circumstance seems immovable, and I am in pain? And we are saying you call upon Spirit. And upon faith, and upon your friends — your physical friends, for support, for love, for strategizing. You can call upon your therapist, and say: “Well, what is this? I need to work on the stuff of the personality that is magnetizing me into situations where I always have a boss who is sca-reaming at me with, ah — unfulfillable demands!” Perhaps you need to rethink your life! (We don’t mean you, personally, Polly.)

   Susan: I have another question about this. When — when you’re in a situation like this, and it’s so abusive, you are closing yourself off; and when you close yourself off it’s difficult to let in divine intervention.

   Micciah: Yes.

   Susan: How do you reach the point where you can surrender to the divine intervention in the midst of the abuse? So that you accept only that, and —

   Micciah: Well, this is a huge piece. This — it’s a huge question, Susan, really; because it — it — we can’t give you a how, “Just do this and this and this.” It really has to do with the level, the — the depth of one’s faith, or the — the level to which you can surrender to ... the hidden love embedded in the strangest situations. And it’s a very slippery area, because we in no way mean to imply you should make nice, or pretend something is better than it is: that’s not what we are saying at all. You know that, yes?

   Susan: Yes. And I actually want to be even more specific. We were working in class about the third chakra, and about how some people are very feeling, and they take things in.

   Micciah: Yes.

   Susan: Okay. So if you’re in that kind of situation and you’re taking everything in, then how could you really protect that part of yourself, so that you could be there, and get what you have to get, do the work you have to do, and still protect yourself? Do you have any ideas on that?

   Micciah: Yes. You can surround yourself with love; literally imagine it; fill yourself with love. You can work with detachment, so there is a sense of, ah — stepping away from being intensely embroiled, in a kind of head-on collision, with pain in the situation.

   Susan: Do you have an exercise for detachment?

   Micciah: The first image that comes is of imagining in the situation that you are literally holding hands with the Divine, the way a child holds a parent’s hand for comfort.
   If you know a mantra (you can make one up for yourself), you can repeat the mantra to yourself as the situation is unrolling around you: “I am divine love. I am a child of the heart of Spirit.” So that you have your own program going [with a laugh] while the outside is broadcasting. And this creates the effect of disengaging, in a life-affirming way, from, ah — the potency of the immediate emotional situation.
   We are very leery of being — of oversimplifying about these issues, because they are complex questions, and, ah — it is easy and ultimately misleading to think you can just — [mimics prattling]: “Oh, I — I am a divine child of Spirit, I am a divine child of Spirit, I am a divine chi-” We are very cautious about sliding into the place of denial. We are trying to express to you that you can cope with negativity, if you will — or with even a certain degree of harm in a situation — if you will meditate, and affirm, and pray, and also within the situation be responsive to the living spirit that is always within you. So you stay connected to your relationship to Spirit. And you choose — choose — to be in the repeating of the name of God, of Divinity. If you cannot choose to have the situation be different — if that is out of your, quote, “control” — you can choose the inner environment that you nurture while it is ongoing.


   Julie: That’s the end of this particular segment... of this particular adventure. And this channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellectual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you.
   Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.

   Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellec­tual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”