MICCIAH CHANNEL: JULIE WINTER
Produced by Jon Child
Transcript of Program 164, 1991 [automated CC]
Some of Julie’s early work in channel from 1991 & 1986 where Micciah discusses:
• Nourishment — the capacity to be nourished by Spirit at every level of being, knowing that Spirit is everywhere. To identify nourishment with either matter or Spirit, rejecting the other; to see nourishment as coming from any one place only, creates “the starvation of opposition: Self and Not-Self.” Evidence of our inner starvation: the obsession with MORE. Fulfillment: the ability to know when we are sated. View Section
• Staying with healthy eating habits. Healing the inner split in the emotional self between virtue and desire. Bring playfulness and spontaneity into healthful food choices. View Section
[The tape had deteriorated in spots but is watchable as if seen through a flapping screen door. It is published for reference.]
Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends.
Julie: My Name is Julie Winter, and this program is called Micciah Channel.
And what you are going to see is me, going into an altered state of consciousness, a non-ordinary state of awareness. And what I believe happens when I am in that state is that I enter an expanded geography of the self, and that there is an overlap between what I know (my intelligence, my awareness, my experience) and something that is larger than my ordinary awareness. It may indeed be that it is all part of my awareness and that would be fine. What’s produced is a personality that is a product of this overlapping, and the personality is called Micciah.
My voice is going to change and it is my own voice. The variations in speech have to do with my being in an altered state.
The program is created from my classes. My students bring questions in. We encourage you to ask questions, to ask questions about channeling, about my channeling, whatever. And use your discernment in evaluating the information that comes through.
The program that you are about to see is made up of a number of different class sessions.
Micciah: We are going to discuss the capacity to be nourished by Spirit at every level of your being, in the full understanding — in the full experience that what nourishes you is Spirit, in one of Its many guises or disguises.
[Pause.] The more you identify with nourishment being a function of the relative world alone, the more limited are your possibilities. And the more you separate the notion of Spirit from the experience of all nourishment, the more you limit your possibilities. So — there are those who live very much within the personality-self, apparently; very much in the relative world, the causal world, the concrete world; who live, ah — in an understanding of world economics, of food as something that is, ah — only a physical manifestation, a physical manifestation alone. And there are those who live in a split between matter and spirit, rejecting the physical world, afraid of the physical world, believing that they yearn for Spirit alone — quote, “pure” Spirit. And both extremes (and many states in between that, though not as extreme) represent starvation. Starvation at either end, and in the middle discomfort and lack of nourishment.
Your capacity to be completely and vibrantly nurtured is related to your capacity to embrace faith; surrender; to perceive that Spirit is showing you its face in every mouthful ... in every breath ... in every lambchop. Now we will hear from the vegetarians.
This one is a vegetarian. Some people need meat.
To be completely, wholly nourished, you see the face of Spirit — you hear its voice and feel its touch — in your creative ideas, in your writing and dancing and massaging and acupuncturing and singing, and writing ... in business — [whisper] everywhere! [Aloud.] It’s one of the best kept secrets that Spirit is everywhere.
So some people put it in churches, and say, “Yes! It is here, in these magnificent halls, in these hallowed, incensed surroundings, that Spirit shows its face!” Some people say, “No, no — it is not there; it is only in the outdoors, in the fields and rivers.” Well, the fields and rivers existed before the churches, so there is something to that.
You must come to a state of allowing yourself to be in cooperation with Spirit! It is not some glorious force that comes down from the heavens, appearing only in designated places through approved priests. [Quietly, intently.] It is the totality of life!
The more there is a sense of personal identification with nurturing, the more likely you are to starve in one way or another. Whether you say, “My nourishment comes only from my one church, or my one, ah — religious belief,” or “My nourishment comes through the economics of buying and selling goods, which create food,” and so forth — the more that the nurturing force is identified personally, in an isolated — ah [sigh], exclusive way, the more the shadow of starvation floats — the spectre of starvation. Because, in the sense of being exclusive (whether it is exclusive in economic terms or exclusive in spiritual terms), you ... live in the starvation of opposition: Self and Not-Self. “We cannot feed those people: those people are infidels. No, we think we will kill those people instead.” “We cannot feed those people — it will disturb the economic balance. We think we will let those people starve.” So then there is the experience, the identification, of Self and Not-Self. Yes? Are you following? Is this clear so far?
When you allow yourselves to open to oneness, and to constantly contemplate the possibility that the face and the voice and the hands, the touch, of Spirit is, ah — everywhere; when you are able to conceive of the relative world, and experience the relative world, as the play of Spirit, in its costume of opposition, then you begin to get to the truth of sustenance. The stories, in many spiritual traditions, of people being fed — yes, the loaves and the fishes: it appears over and over again, in one way or another. The direct appearance of Spirit in a way that transcends what you have identified as physical law: “There are only so many loaves and so many fishes!” This should speak to you.
You are being fed — sustained! — by vast, palpable, and yet unimaginable love. [Sigh.] And you keep going back to limitation. To point to things: “But there is not enough. Over there, there is not enough.” [Deep breath.] And now on this planet you can do what could not be physically done, concretely accomplished: you can now feed every person. Not for long, if you do not, um — reduce the number of people or contemplate other ways of feeding. But right now.
And there are ... an infinite number of ways to understand your spiritual source as the great nurturer behind everything, or embedded in everything.
[Sigh.] One of the evidences of your inner sense of starvation is the creation of a culture where until very recently (and mostly it is still so), more is always better! [Mimics a gluttonous chant:] More money more food more clothing more buildings! On an individual basis, yes? Or for this church group or that religious organization. [A ravenous roar:] MORE!
You only — you only become seduced by that kind of compulsion, for more, when there is an inner sense of starvation. Like the appestat in the body, that knows when the body has been fed, and signals you: “Enough”; but when you have not been fed, and you signal yourself that you are hungry, the obsession with MORE is related to an interior sense of starvation, and of lack, and potential threat and loss.
As you now are being forced, so to speak — it has become imperative that you move toward voluntary simplicity, that you shift your ideas about MORE, that you recycle, that you wake up around wastefulness — you are coming into better balance with sustenance, into harmony with it. You — your — there is some wiggle in that direction. And the compulsion with MORE has made you very unhappy, dissatisfied. It doesn’t create fulfillment; it creates an ironic sense of starvation.
When you look to Spirit — to all that vastness and love — as your source, and you open, through the many dimensions of your awareness, to guidance, then you take what you need and you are in a state of blessing about it.
[Whisper.] So. [Sigh. Aloud.] In the drive of starvation, and the group separation from Spirit, conscious — separation from a conscious connection with Spirit, you have also sucked huge amounts out of the body of the earth — [panting] — a kind of a breathlessness: “But we must have all this energy!” But fulfillment rests in being able to identify when you are ... ss- ss- sated? Is that the word? “Ah! — enough!”
Sarah: Micciah, I have questions about this whole pattern of health that I’ve been working on with myself for the past couple of years, trying to break out of unhealthy eating patterns and break in new ones and stay with it, staying with it when my cravings are for unhealthy things. The more I learn about it... It seems to help a bit, to know, say, what something, what a particular food does in my body, or to sit and listen to what my body needs. But I sort of feel like I still have so far to go. I constantly slip and desire, you know, other things. And I would love some insight into why that happens and how to really take in...
Micciah: You have set it up as a wonderful dichotomy between virtue and desire. [laughter] You could give up such a luscious dilemma?
The dilemma itself is intriguing and alluring. So, the way... There is a lot of talk in metaphysical circles about proper diet, yes? We would say the general rule, other than particular, particular plans for people who need to support one aspect of their body for a period of time, is food that is vital. So there is no reason that a Frito can’t be vital.
Food that has a great deal of chemical in it, for instance, does not really nourish as successfully as food that has vitality. And, uh, the dilemma between the virtuous person and the desiring, craving person is really what has you, Sarah. It’s not the food so much. It’s playing itself out on the tennis court of food. [laughter] That’s the arena into which this split is organized. So if you will work directly with the split between virtue and desire... Anyone who is hooked on that dilemma can work with that, the virtuous voice and the desiring voice. The good child and the bad child. The contained, correct position and the wild position. Why can’t you bring wildness and spontaneity into eating in a way that is successful in the sense that it is nurturing? You can. The Spiritual Wild Diet for Wild Spiritual People.
Dieting, the diet, has become a matter of great seriousness and anxiety which certainly will spoil the fun of eating completely. When a cat contemplates a mouse as a juicy tidbit, it is aware of the success of that nourishment in terms of its vitality. And it would be very bored indeed by, what(?), pure food, soy beans, yes. “Cats aren’t supposed to eat soy beans! Cats are supposed to eat mice!” Those long sharp teeth are for puncturing! So, what kind of teeth do you have? You have mixed teeth in your mouth. You can eat as human beings all different kinds of food, and it could possibly be a delight. You could blend the delight of pleasure with choosing, spontaneously, food that is lively. And that would be much more fun.
People become very... Compulsions and addictions, anxieties, can very easily become focused on eating “the correct” meals. And that is, it saddens the animal body that isn't playful. Sometimes it is necessary to adjust for a period of time within certain parameters. But more often, the real dilemma is in the emotional body and not in the physical choice of food.
Even with eating disorders, the dilemma is not in the physical body, it’s in the emotional self. And food, food is the enemy, food is used instead of other life experiences. So, you know, there is, there is truly an imbalance, but it isn’t really a physical one.
Sarah: Do you have any suggestions about healing that split between the virtuous and the desirous?
Micciah: Yes. To bring the playfulness that you feel, the wildness and the excitement of spontaneity, into choices that are successful choices, that are not, uh... You can choose to eat something that is vital, that is made of whole ingredients, that also is fun. Frito really isn’t such a bad choice. [laughter]
Julie: That’s the end of this particular segment... of this particular adventure. And this channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellectual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you.
Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.
Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellectual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”