MICCIAH CHANNEL: JULIE WINTER
Produced by Jon Child
Transcript of Program 166, 1991
VIDEO NOT AVAILABLE
Some of Julie’s early work in channel from 1987 and 1991 where Micciah discusses:
• What are soul mates, and what is our relationship with them? Soul mates are “entities who have profound connections of heart, of service, of viewpoint.” They share a mutual remembrance of the One. We have numbers of soul mates.
• Finding one’s life partner: The song is remembered from lifetime to lifetime. “If you have an agreement to meet up with someone, you will," but what you make of the relationship is not foreordained. If a longed-for partner fails to appear, ask: “What is the teaching? Where am I in conflict?"
• When spiritual paths conflict: They do so on the formulaic level: “There is always a lie, in a formula.... It’s how you hold the conflict.... Contemplate [it] with the love of Spirit.”
Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends.
Julie: My Name is Julie Winter, and this program is called Micciah Channel.
And what you are going to see is me, going into an altered state of consciousness, a non‑ordinary state of awareness. And what I believe happens when I am in that state is that I enter an expanded geography of the self, and that there is an overlap between what I know (my intelligence, my awareness, my experience) and something that is larger than my ordinary awareness. It may indeed be that it is all part of my awareness and that would be fine. What’s produced is a personality that is a product of this overlapping and the personality is called Micciah. My voice is going to change and it is my own voice. The variations in speech have to do with my being in an altered state.
The program is created from my classes. My students bring questions in. We encourage you to do the same. And use your discernment in evaluating the information that comes through.
The program that you are about to see is made up of a number of different class sessions.
Susan: I’d like to know what is a soul mate and our relationship to them and does it have to be a sexual relationship or can a soul mate be a friend or a child.
Micciah: Good question. What is a soul mate?
First of all, souls don’t exactly mate. We have said this before. The soul knows itself to be mated to spirit, to the divine. So the soul is not actually looking around for a date, so to speak. However, there are entities who have with each other profound connections of heart, of service, of viewpoint, and there are all groups of entities who arrange to emerge in the physical world, in the dream of this dream, together at many various apparent times. And amongst those entities there are those wearing different costumes and singing different songs in each appearance who share a bond and they can be friends, lovers, a parent and a child, a teacher and a student, any relationship. It will have a quality, again, mutuality of cosmic sound, a shared relationship, not just to each other, a shared relationship to the divine, as if two entities...and it is not limited to two, you don’t just have one so-called soul mate. You can have numbers of them. ...recall their journey from the stars into light bodies, into denser bodies, have journeyed together through the many passing eons. When they come together there is a mutual remembrance of the truth. That is the bond.
So you look into the other person’s eyes and you hear each other’s sound, the sound out of which the entire entity is created, and you remember together, “Oh yes, oh yes, unity, the divine, the Goddess, Jesus, the Buddha.” So your soul mates are those who remind you of your connections. And sometimes they are people that you don’t like at all, not deep dislike. They are not necessarily people about whom you feel wholly harmonious. They can be people with whom you feel a certain amount of friction, but never cruelty. Friction. You look into that person’s eyes and you suddenly get it. “Uh huh, I think I see myself in there. I think we share something.”
So, those with whom you have traveled remind you of the source from whence you came.
Sarah: I would love for you to talk about finding and recognizing your life partner. Sometimes I think about it as — you could be involved with almost anyone if you're both willing to communicate and be there with each other. Or sometimes I think it's much more specific than that — that there's some predestined person, or it's some past life connection, or — I don't know. So many things have to be in place, you know, for that to happen.
Micciah: Yes. The universal dating service.
The cosmic dating service. We wish to say, in regard to this and also to Linda's question: the great song of attraction does include other lifetimes. You sometimes recognize someone and they are still singing — that song [with a laugh], and you have no trouble remembering it from lifetime to lifetime.
[Pause.] Sometimes [sigh] ... meetings between people are set up long before you enter a particular body. (We have to talk about it in a linear frame. It isn't really linear, but it's too difficult to explain any other way.) Sometimes, in the larger realm, you have a very clear agreement to meet with a certain person — or certain people, really: whole groups of people refind each other. And then sometimes it is, ah — agreed that the meeting will come at a particular time of life. Sometimes not. [Deep breath.] It is all by agreement. But some of the agreements are looser, more loosely organized. It's like the difference between saying to someone, “Well, you will be here at seven o'clock for dinner on Tuesday, right?" And they say, “Seven o'clock, yes; I'll see you at seven o'clock"; and saying, “Well — stop by if you're in the neighborhood” [laughing].
The relationships that are powerful lifetime partnerships, or intense creative friendships, whether sexual or not — these you know. You come in with the luminous blueprint of that relationship already alive, and you walk into it. Listen to the stories about how people meet ... people who become very dear friends, long-time lovers, or husbands and wives.
Sometimes, ah — a person will agree to a particular kind of, ah — let us say — religious life, wherein intimate relationships are foresworn through the vows (a monk, for instance), and contacts will be friendly — some, deeply, emotionally intimate (except in conditions where those are foresworn, and we believe that is not healthy. It's not healthy. Human creatures need to express their personal love as well as their spiritual love).
You can bet on one thing: if you have an agreement to meet up with someone, you will.
Sarah: Is it then — will you necessarily then be in a relationship, or could you kind of knock and go opposite ways and not even get it?
Micciah: It depends on how loose the agreement is. The themes of ships passing in the night, again, is — comes from the larger consciousness. There is a sense that sometimes people just miss; then you will probably do it in another existence. But if you are intending to be with someone — if in your long history, in the planning sessions, the committee that precedes your entrance into the incarnation you are in — if you have agreed, then you will meet, and you will create a relationship.
Now — what you create is not foreordained. You see — the level of consciousness at which you play is not foreordained. But Julie and Jon had no way of avoiding each other in this lifetime. They planned to meet, and, ah — that was quite definite. As definite as anything can be. But then, how they would relate and interact was really up to them.
So there is another part to the question: yes; if you are destined, so to speak, to meet up with someone, you will. And if you are further in the agreement that you and they will spend a considerable amount of time together, you will. But what you make of the time — your attitudes toward the relationship, your relationship to Spirit within the context of the partnership, whether it’s a husband, wife, friend, lover, sister — that is up to you. That is up to you.
Sometimes there is an agreement to meet, and you — but — when you are ready for the meeting, can shift. If you put into prayer that you are ready you can draw the other person, if they are ready, to you. You will draw yourselves to each other at a different point in what you perceive as time. And then there are other potential relationships where you bump into each other, the personalities contemplate each other, and you do go right by.
But what goes on in you ... your own connection with vast love, and with Spirit and with truthfulnessss ... opens you to relationships of an extraordinary nature, because you can only relate out of the context of your own being.
If you wish deeply for a life partner, and you keep looking — no one appears! “Where is this person?" Then you must ask: “Is there anything, any deep belief of the personality, that is in conflict in some way about this?" If I have a life partner and I am a woman, then my life work will become, ah — a shambles; I will lose my creative sense of independence: whatever. Or, in the larger question, is it a quest of the spirit for deeper faith? What is the teaching? [Loudly.] NOTHING! Nothing, nothing, no thing, is gratuitous and without teaching possibilities. It is indeed all grist for the mill.
So if you ask earnestly for a life partner, and no one appears, then you must look further within the truth of yourself. Not from the narcissistic point of view, which is that you are somehow in control of what comes into your life, by moving the bits of your consciousness around (that's another formula); but: “All right! What's the teaching? All right --" [laughing] “what am I being asked to contemplate through this circumstance?"
Sometimes, of course, when people yield to something, it moves. Nothing keeps life stuck better than opposition, because it is a kind of contraction. Opposition to your own state. Healing arises out of the truth of something. Well — the truth could be opposition. Then you can proceed to the next step.
In a way, unless there is some greater purpose, you can call people to yourself through prayer. Just as, when someone has been very lonely, they do emotional work. They take the responsibility; they work with the personality-self, with the belief systems. Then there is a shift in the energetic organization of you as a being (provided you are not somewhere that is completely away from people). You notice the waves of people start to come in — one, two, three, then a few more — and they are different. When someone has been in an abusive relationship, in a pattern of abusive relationships, and this is healed in the emotional body — like the healing of a wound in the physical body — then the effect in the physical world, in the world of relationship, shifts. Again, people do signal each other, not only sexually — energetically, in that sense.
Beverly: My question is: then, if two people have found each other —
Micciah: [Whisper.] Yes —
Beverly: — and the attraction is very strong, and the commitment, and the feeling that it is the lifetime partner; once that's been arrived at, how close and how far away should they be, as far as their spiritual paths and spiritual development goes? At what point does one person's path interfere with the other? And when are they so far apart that it can destroy the relationship?
Micciah: Well, spiritual teachings all lead pretty much to the same place. There is only one place, anyway. But the form they take is different. So if you have someone who is a very devout Catholic, then they will have certain beliefs in their search for God (we are assuming that one can be devout — hm; one can be rigorous about obeying the rules, and not particularly in contact with Spirit. We will assume, however, that it is a spiritual path, and it is in the mode of the Catholic faith). Then the requirements of that person's path may be in conflict with a path of a very different nature: a shamanistic path; a path of cooperative creation, of, ah — love of the play with Spirit, a nonhierarchical form (although Matthew Fox, of course, is Catholic and speaks with a very different voice, but he was not popular in the church hierarchy. In fact we believe they told him to be quiet for a time).
So if you are in a relationship with someone, and the form of their spiritual practice is in conflict with the form of your spiritual practice — you have a conflict. How you deal with the conflict, again, as we said in response to Sarah, is up to you. You can melt into it; you can incorporate it into the greater search. Some conflicts would be hard to resolve. If you have one person who believes it is God's will not to use birth control, and the other doesn't, then you can resolve it but it's not so easy.
Now, you might hold the conflict, and discover truthfully (when you find your truth about it), [that] you can't be with that person, that's the truth, because there is too much conflict, and the conflict is beginning to occupy the whole arena of the relationship. And yet there are those of enormously different spiritual persuasion who — get on.
Ask some more, Beverly.
Beverly: Hmm. Um ...
Micciah: I know!
Beverly: Yes --? [Laughs.]
Micciah: You could say, ah — “I am loving and respectful of your way, and you are loving and respectful of my way; and we will attempt to work through the areas of direct conflict in matters of choice, of action, with, ah — kindness.”
Beverly: And respect. Okay, what about in terms of just privacy, in terms of if the way in which each person is searching isn't quite formed in such a rigid way as the Catholic church?
Micciah: Yes —
Beverly: If it's a more open-ended sort of thing.
Beverly: But — at what point — how much are you to hold in for yourself, in terms of your own search for it, and how much should you share with the other person, without polluting your own path?
Micciah: Well — you can share. It is a question of maintaining feeling. You can maintain your individual identity, and they theirs. You can still certainly share, in an atmosphere of respect. (Ha ha! We say this; it sounds easier than it is, because people become very vociferous about their spiritual beliefs, and they want you to come with them! Just as they become vociferous about their political beliefs, and their beliefs about sexual exchanges, and so forth.) So, it is a part of the personality-self that is attached to its formulaic representation about Spirit, or politics, or whatever: there is always a lie, in a formula. And those pieces bump. Spiritual devotion really can't bump into — into another form of spiritual devotion, but it can bump into the form of the practice. Where you believe you want to undress on the new moons and the full moons, and be playing music and burning incense, and, ah — hugging your diefenbachia, and someone else wants to go to church in a suit and tie, you have a little conflict there. [Laughing.] It would take — probably the largeness of Spirit it would take to encompass such conflicts lovingly would be considerable. [Laughing.]
Personalities are very invested in being right. “If my way is right how can your way be right? Excuse me! One of us is not correct here.”
So — it is considerably easier if you are on paths that — if not identical, harmonize. And failing that, if you can avail yourselves of Spirit in whatever way you seek it, and contemplate the dilemma with the love of Spirit, then — very — personality issues, and issues of power and control and so forth, can be danced out in the frame of spiritual differences.
Julie: That’s the end of this particular segment... of this particular adventure. And this channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellectual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you.
Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it. So long.
Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellectual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”