MICCIAH CHANNEL: JULIE WINTER
Produced by Jon Child
Transcript of Program 172, 1991 [automated CC]
Some of Julie’s early work in channel from 1987 where Micciah discusses:
• Role of intention in sexual expression, including fantasy, abuse and domination. (snippet)< View Section
• Choosing suffering: Suffering is “caused in the deepest sense by the isolation of the individual self.... from the knowledge of the source.” The self can be “yearning to find its source.” Some souls choose to be “mirrors of consciousness” to the world.
[Most of this tape was not viewable. The 7 minutes and 37 seconds that were transferable are included as reference.]
Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends.
Julie: My Name is Julie Winter, and this program is called Micciah Channel.
And what you are going to see is me, going into an altered state of consciousness, a non-ordinary state of awareness. And what I believe happens when I am in that state is that I enter an expanded geography of the self, and that there is an overlap between what I know (my intelligence, my awareness, my experience) and something that is larger than my ordinary awareness. It may indeed be that it is all part of my awareness and that would be fine. What’s produced is a personality that is a product of this overlapping, and the personality is called Micciah.
My voice is going to change and it is my own voice. The variations in speech have to do with my being in an altered state.
The program is created from my classes. My students bring questions in. We encourage you to ask questions, to ask questions about channeling, about my channeling, whatever. And use your discernment in evaluating the information that comes through.
Micciah: We greet you all dear friends.
All of you here and all of you who are with us in other places, physical places and, perhaps, nonphysical as well, what would you like to discuss?
Elaine: Micciah, I had a question, two questions really, about the role intent plays in sexual expression. Umm, for example, the use of sexual fantasies, pornography, playing out power relationships in order to arouse or be aroused. Umm, and the other part of that is that I’d be interested in knowing if another person’s sexual fantasies about you can have a negative affect on you.
Micciah: It’s quite a bundle of questions. Let us take it step by step.
The question of creating a sexual fantasy, and then what the fantasy is are two separate, related yet separate issues. Sexual arousal really comes from the brain ... from the brain, the brain precedes, and is connected to the rest of the physiological arousal.
Now, when there is strong emotional contact, openness between the people who are making love, then arousal goes from the brain through the skin, comes from the brain to the nervous system and the contact between the two people is strong enough. So, we are tempted to say there is no particular need of fantasy, but that makes fantasy sound wrong, which it isn’t. Let us say when contact is very intense and there is passion, compassion, the singing of two bodies yearning for deeper and deeper physical contact, it sort of does itself. Is that clear?
And sometimes there is the use of fantasy to open the pathways in the nervous system and this is fine. Fantasies are wonderful, fantasies are to be enjoyed. It is only when the entity’s feelings about self and about sex mix together with abusiveness, because of the psychological history of the individual, because, for instance, of low self esteem, of fear and punishment connected to sexuality, of many, many....
There are many roots out of which abusive fantasies arise. Women’s fear of their own power, the need to be overcome, because of the fear of own power, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.... When the fantasy is abusive it is sad in the sense that that person’s singing of their own body has been disturbed. Do you see? Do you understand so far? The natural expressivity of sexual impulses, sexual truth in your culture has been very much at the level of group mind disturbed. It’s like a root that’s turned. So when one partakes of that, it is sad to mix abusiveness with the delight of sex. There is an area... we don’t mean at all that it is morally wrong... it is a distortion in the delight that is possible.
There is an undistorted area of sexual expressivity that is quite dramatic, the way a storm can be dramatic. So one might be physically caught up with another person in that kind of storminess and it would have a dynamic and forceful component, but not abusive. The abusiveness is always the turning or the distortion of the original intent toward passion, playfulness, union, exploration, tenderness, compassion, will, divine play — sex is divine play. Sex was given to you by all that is divine to be enjoyed. So, when one has an erotic fantasy that includes either harming or being harmed or some variety of that, it is as if the principle of delight cannot for some reason be claimed by the individual and it turns. So.... Real abuse, not the fantasy of it, but the enacting of abusive practices, again, are not wrong morally, yet are expected as a result of the gestalt of the group mind having formed in your time and culture around that notion of power over and dominance.
When we spoke at the beginning of this session about this corridor, perhaps we say it is a spiral corridor of intensity, we are exactly speaking of the confrontation between those who have kept the fire alive, the peace: clear mind, clear heart and those who have the fire but who are unaware of it and who have become imbedded in material ways, in form for its own sake and in dominance. So, one must expect that this attitude would be reflected in sexual expressivity and indeed it is! Indeed, the nature of dominating, of being dominated becomes affixed to the flow of sexual ideas and needs, because it is so prevalent, because it has been internalized and mirrored out and internalized again.
Now, can someone else’s...have we answered that completely?
Elaine: I think enough for me to start with this.
Micciah: It is like a wounding, it is not a moral issue, it is like a wounding of spirit to have the playfulness, divinity, holiness, excitation, the possible drama, softness, ecstasy, friendliness, passion of sexuality, to turn it so, to distort it so. It is like a wounding of the soul. And, uh, we are not criticizing, and if one finds pleasure in that way as long as another being is not hurt, but you see when you imagine harming yourself, let us say, or being harmed, it represents some way that you cannot play fully.
Can someone else’s fantasies affect you? You mean private fantasies?
Micciah: Well this gives in to the area of the way in which another’s thought forms do or do not affect you.
In general, in general, everything is everywhere known, everything is everywhere known so if someone has sexual fantasies about you, at some level of your being you know that. Does it harm you? Not unless they are cast toward you with the intention to draw you into them, and then you would have to have an answer in your vibratory rate. If you align yourself with the one, you are under the law of your own consciousness. No one’s practices will hurt you in any way. In what is called, well...well...in practices where spells are cast, and so forth, there must be some unconscious meeting of the two energies for it to be effective. You must have a belief somewhere in you that this can come to rest in your aura, in your energy field.
Please, go on.
Linda: I’m interested in knowing what the intention is behind choosing suffering.
Micciah: It varies. What is the intention in choosing to suffer? Some suffering looks as if it is inflicted, yes? Suffering sometimes looks as if there is a victim, and we are not getting into the blame-the-victim camp.
All suffering...Linda, this is complicated...we have spoken of this before, is complicated, some suffering is unnecessary. Well, you say, “If everything is chosen in consciousness, if everything is absolutely perfect, how can it be unnecessary?” Well, it is perfect and it is unnecessary. Suffering is caused in the deepest sense by the isolation of the individual self, the personality self, the focus personality, the isolation, the separation from the source, from knowledge of the source. And out of that initial suffering come all the other varieties of suffering, because when you know yourself connected to the source then you are, you will treat yourself and others and the environment, the family, the community, the earth with love.
There is suffering that is, quote ‘chosen.’ Sometimes when the personality self is yearning to find its source, there will be murmurings, whisperings, nudgings, dreamings, hints of all kinds. If those are not taken by the personality, the personality is quite, ah, ahmm, pacified; sometimes there will be an agreement on the part of the whole self to explore a more dramatic form. So, then one might create the event of an illness as a way of breaking through some of the armoring of the personality. (We know that we go into deep water here, if this is true or not true.)
Sometimes the personality will choose the abrasion, the drama of an illness knowing at the deepest level that it is alright, that you are always held, you are always safe. As we have said, you can have a dream, a sleep dream, very terrible frightening dream. When you wake you know, “Oh, it was just a dream.” So in another sense you can choose a way of suffering and the deepest elements of self know that you will waken and be safe. And that suffering sometimes penetrates, makes it possible for a union with the source. That is one kind of suffering.
Sometimes a soul will choose or groups of souls will choose to be mirrors so that starving children are mirrors of your own consciousness and they reflect the totality of starvation that is amongst you all. And they too are held safely in the greatest sense, and you are responsible individually for your awareness and for some participation both in changing consciousness and physically taking acts that feed people literally and figuratively. Sometimes, then, suffering is a personal burning through. You look at a child who is starving, you say, “This child is not trying to awaken to the beauty of God.” This child has perhaps allowed an incarnation to reflect to everyone the mirror and sooner or later, or in the fullness of the eternal now everyone does everything and there is much suffering that can be alleviated, much. You could feed all the children, all the bellies on this planet, you can do that any time you choose. It is a literal possibility. What you can never do is say, “The suffering is over there. I am not the person in the street with my hand out,” because you are the person in the street with your hand out. This is not a question of guilt, but of awareness; and then you must call on the rhythm of miracles, on the song of the miraculous, on your own deep nature. You cannot be responsible for feeding every single person. You can be responsible for doing what you can do.
Call on your own fire, on the seed that is from the stars, on the great ones who stand ready to assist you always. Move from there with the intention to heal, to respect life, to alleviate suffering and to celebrate your incarnations.
Now, sometimes we feel, when we are speaking to you, that you may feel these words as criticism. Ah, if you are not doing it this way, bad for you. And we don’t, it is not our intention to convey that, but rather to offer you all of this to contemplate, to meditate on, to experiment with.
So, sometimes you make gestures or act in a way that is propelled by fear, by greed, which is indeed a kind of fear, by old beliefs that you have inherited from your family or your community that have no real central meaning to you; then your actions, although they may be harmless to others, don’t support your life, because the intention toward yourself is not of the three: compassion, will, and usefulness.
What kind of life do you wish to lead? What is the intention of your having created this body in this most interesting, intricate and demanding of historical periods? How much do you take into account these guidelines as you act, move and have your being?
So...we will leave you with this. We do thank you very much, all of you who make this circle with such devotion through the physical seasons, all of you who make the greater circle. For the privilege of being with you, we thank you and we bid you a glorious day!
Julie: That’s the end of this particular segment... of this particular adventure. And this channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellectual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you.
Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.
Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellectual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”