MICCIAH CHANNEL: JULIE WINTER
Produced by Jon Child
Transcript of Program 49, 1986 (Chernobyl 4)
Some of Julie’s early work in channel from 1986. This is the fourth of a series in which Micciah discusses the nuclear accident at Chernobyl.
• How can we stay in contact with current world events without getting “drowned in the horror?” “When there is no contact between the personal self and the intuitive realms and the soul maker, then deep pain ensues.” Explore the paradox of solidity and transparency. “What courage included me as a dreamer in this dream?” View Section
• Can we control and contain nuclear energy? Not really, in its current form. It is possible to make choices, acknowledge their damage, and change them. Accidents (like Chernobyl) create opportunities for growth and compassion. Our culture has an obsessive fear of death, but no real reverence for life. This specter of nuclear destruction represents this split. View Section
• Why did the recent nuclear accident occur in Russia? Partly to make it clear that the U.S. and Russia can help each other; partly to illustrate the soul of Russia as dramatic passion, and the soul of the U.S. as wildness, as pioneering exploration. View Section
• Bringing children into the world at this time. Many wish to experiment with living in the physical world at this time. You are giving them the opportunity. No one will be here who doesn’t wish to be. View Section
Micciah: We greet you all, dear friends.
Julie: We do greet you, indeed. This is Micciah Channel, and I’m Julie Winter. Micciah is an energy entity who works with me while I’m in trance, and while I’m in the trance state I have access to a point of view that seems to come from a non-physical realm. This series of programs is drawn primarily from videotapes taken during my regular classes. We want to expand our circle, and include your energy and interest in our work.
Jon: Hello. I’m Jon Child, producer of MICCIAH CHANNEL. Now, this program is part of our ongoing little mini-series about the nuclear disaster at Chernobyl in the Soviet Union. It was recorded as part of a series of sessions taken during the time of the ongoing event. We’re going to leap into one of those sessions, in the middle, and follow along from there.
Micciah: Please go on.
Amielle: Micciah, with this string of really horrendous events, physical events, that are happening on the planet, how can we help ourselves remain in contact with the impact of it without getting addicted to the horror of it and being drowned in that? Being able to see past the ways in which it looks like we’re just on a downward spiral. And just be able to be in contact with that, the whole.
Micciah: Yes. We are, we have partially talked about that, but you do need to have your personal feelings. To try to cut them off is also a violence. To have some antiquated — that’s not the right word — but old peeling idea about goodness is of no use, it’s of no use. So all the feelings that you have as a personhood about the world — your fear, your disgust, your rage, your disappointment — you need to have space for that. They need to come out and through you. It is not the final statement. And if you give yourself a way to have those feelings, you don’t have to get lost in them, or stuck with them permanently, as the end. When that seems like the end, when there is no contact between the personal self and the intuitive realms and the soul maker, then deep despair ensues.
So you need to have your feelings and then go on to explore the paradox of solidity and transparency. We will give you an example. Suppose we were to say that this realm is a dream of another realm. Now, this is a little tricky because there is a tendency with this statement to diminish this realm and say, “Oh, well, just a dream. Pah.” But suppose, to loosen your consciousness, to loosen the way you are locked into awareness, suppose you say, “This realm, this earth and all of us on it, are of a dream.” And in the dream some wonderful things occurred. There were babies and tulips and Janes and Amielles and Tuesdays and there were some extraordinary events and occurrences in this dream. And there were also some destructive, wrenching and horrible things in the dream. This will loosen it a little. So then you can imagine being in the dream with compassion and saying, “And in this dream there were some people who kept on returning to their connection with the source that had dreamed it all and that had imbued each of the members of the world with the power to be in the dream, the power to effect the drama and also the power to see the dream.” So that will loosen the harshness of the way that you hang on to or feel defeated by the physical world. We think that there will come a time in the linear, in the linear world which you are dealing with, yes?, that there will come a time when the dream will change and when the people who were not able to make choices that protected life will be in some other dream. And others of you will congregate again as you have before in the dream of the earth. And then a new age, as the native Americans count the great ages, will come. So you who have included yourselves in this portion of the dream, of the dreaming, of being the dreamers, have chosen a most dynamic and challenging time. Rather than wondering what foolishness brought you into this life, with so much dissension and fear, you could say, “What courage included me as a dreamer in this dream!” And how remarkable to be able to continue to choose life; dream yourself as part of the wretchedness and the celebration. And don’t get lost. Sometimes it is hard, yes?, not to become lost. There is so much help available to you if you will ask for it. And then await the answer. The intuitive body, the intuitive realm, the bridge, so to speak, between the soul maker and all the other more personal, intimate realms. The intuitive realm keeps you alive to the help that is available.
Please go on.
Margaret: In terms of the nuclear accident in Russia, and in terms of nuclear energy in general, is there any possibility that having unleashed this energy, we can figure out how to control this energy and/or put the genie back in the bottle? And somehow control and contain this so that no further harm is done to the earth?
Micciah: In the form you know it, in the way that it is produced, bred, doesn’t work. In the way that you have conceived of it, it is the epitome of the willingness to live in the mind body, to ignore the intuitions, and to slice oneself off the earth connection from here and from your heart. It should be clear that it is not viable.
Now, in the great dance, in the coming into spirit or unity, we see two things. One, it is possible to make choices and to acknowledge that they have been damaging ones. And to change them!
So, then you cut away at the attachment, the mind’s attachment, the thinking body has an attachment, a death grip, to being right at any cost! So, to observe a set of choices, as a people, and say, “These choices don’t work. They don’t work to support the source of life on this planet. Don’t work.” That is one element that you can see for yourselves if you reconnect to the earth and to the awareness of you as a planetary family. It doesn’t work. Now, everyone who has participated has agreed, at their soul level, to be in this part of the seeming nightmare. So there are no victims in the ordinary sense of the word. And no, nuclear energy in the way that you use it cannot be safe on this planet, although it will produce interesting mutations, which then become part of the life design. There are also — we have said this before... You gauge the effect of nuclear energy and what is released on the basis of certain particles. There are particles that you don’t know about, so you are not measuring them. That doesn’t mean, however, that they don’t exist. And in the extraordinary capacity of love to create out of itself, even the quote accidents will create channels for, for growth, and for movement, and for compassion, and for new possibilities. But basically the answer is no. And how you put it back in the bottle, in the immediate sense, is to be able to acknowledge that it won’t work. It is already quite visibly not working. Chemical warfare won’t work either. Neither do missiles.
You have a very large split. On the one hand, terrible fear of death, holding on to the physical body with drips and needles and masks and forced breathing and all kinds of paraphernalia. On the other hand, no real reverence for the web of life. And because you hate destruction, you despise the destructive cycle in the body — we have said this before — shitting and everything that is muddy and dirty and the earth itelf, you cut off your awareness of natural decay, yes? There is always decay in the body. There is decay in life to make room for the new life. So, on one hand you want life to be pristine. No smells, no dirt. Clean energy, which just coincidentally can do the whole planet in, nice clean nuclear energy. And on the other... So, out of this splitting of the natural functions of the body, of life, of humanness, of animalness, you rise up a spectre of death that is itself the representative of the split. Do you understand?
To start healing the split, beginning in yourselves, there needs to be a reverence for the decay part of the life cycle, out of which is created birth, which decays, out of which is created birth. On this planet, you get to confront decay. And all that dirty bacteria nourishes everything that grows. Emotionally too, emotions decay. And they smell peculiar. And thoughts decay. That is good! Then it goes back to fertilize the next growth cycle. Can’t just pull it off! What are you going to do with it? Where’s it going to go? The great craving for energy, for all of this electrical power, is greed, is voraciousness, and that also must be healed.
Sheldon: Why was Russia chosen as the site of the nuclear accident?
Micciah: Well, to let you see that there isn’t any Russia and there isn’t any America and there isn’t any Scandanavia, and there isn’t any Africa. It was the planet that was chosen, or chose itself. So, we will say that first, and now we will look further. The point of it could... It could have been anywhere. The point of it was to allow you to see that, as we say, there isn’t any Russia. Now, we will look at it another way.
Part of it is intended to make it clear to the apparently opposing countries, Russia and the United States, that they can help each other, that these two vast worldly powers must help each other. It is somewhat having that effect, but not completely. So, that doesn’t explain why Russia, but it explains why Russia and the United States. It is Russia and the United States. So, one can reach out to the other. We will continue to look. Just a moment...
Now, in the context of the soul of nations, having just said there is only one planet... In some ways nations themselves have a spirit or a character, or a soul. And in your present understanding of it, Russia is the emotional world with all of its power and passion, even though the government is Communist. But that doesn’t matter, the soul of the country as an essence represents dramatic passion. And the soul of the United States, what do you think that represents?
Micciah: Yes. It is reason. Reason and madness, wildness, the wildness of a pioneer. Russia has not been... No, people, people have been there for a long time too. But Russia is not a pioneering culture. The United States is the wildness of the mind and of brazen ideas and of originality. The formal presentation is reason and science. The soul quality is in this country very wild. It also has an element of the great mother. More in the cities. New York. Guess who New York is. This is fun! [laughter] Is the lady we were just speaking of.
A jumble of voices: Kali.
Micciah: All Miss Liberty needs is the necklace of skulls. New York is Kali for certain. The goddess of destruction and regeneration. Chews things up and spits them out. We are mixing up cultures. So, Russia at the level of its soul has struck a knife into its own breast and is crying out. But these, these are all realms within realms, dreams within dreams. The most important communication at this time is that it is one planet.
Woman: We talked about this being a time of destruction and earth changes. And I’d like to know what is the role of bringing children in to this plane during this time? How can you help us with that?
Micciah: There is an influx of ones who find it easy to live with the laws of love. Some of them will not be too long in the physical. But some will. And very many beings are wishing to experiment in this time, which as we said is one of great courage. So, you are giving someone an opportunity. No one will come who doesn’t wish to be here.
We appreciate your presence, all of you. And we share with you much energy and love and bid you a very good, warm evening.
Julie: Channeling is a little like that. That’s the end for now. What we do in class at the end of a session is go over the information, talk about it, evaluate it, find out what works for us individually and what doesn’t, and we invite you to do the same.
Julie: “This channeling is meant to be a spiritual, emotional, intellectual, heartful, mindful journey that I share with another realm, that I share with my classes and that we all share with you. Please go over the material, evaluate it for yourself, and know what it is that you think about it.”